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Old February 15, 2011, 10:24 PM   #1
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Chippewa .22lr 1911 vs puma .22lr 1911 vs gsg .22lr 1911

Ok so from what I have read gsg .22lr 1911 seems to be the best of the $300 range dedicated .22lr 1911s. My question is they seem to be more difficult to find in my area(actually can't find any here at the local gun shops) are they that much better? Seems that the finish is better but does anyone have any opinions on the differences in function, reliability, longevity, ect.?

Any other suggestions? I want a dedicated .22lr 1911 but want to keep it under $400

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Old February 15, 2011, 10:31 PM   #2
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I have only briefly handled the Chippewa 1911 and GSG 1911. The GSG sold me right then and there. It should be in Wednesday for a Thursday/Friday pickup.

The GSG needs the magazine to fire without doing a little modification. It also locks the slide back on the last shot. That's about all I know at this time.
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Old February 15, 2011, 11:26 PM   #3
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The Chippewa is a piece of junk. I couldn't tell you about the Puma. The GSG is a top quality .22lr 1911 lookalike. If you can't find it locally, buy it online.
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Old February 15, 2011, 11:35 PM   #4
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RIA is starting to import the XT22 I dunno what the $$ is but worth a shot.

http://www.rockislandarmory.com/xt22_pistol.html

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Old February 15, 2011, 11:38 PM   #5
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What's with the M9-esque slide?
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Old February 15, 2011, 11:51 PM   #6
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Does anyone know a online dealer that keeps the gsg in stock NIB? I would like to order directly and not go the auction route.
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Old February 15, 2011, 11:55 PM   #7
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http://www.google.com/products/catal...d=0CEgQ8wIwAA#
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Old February 16, 2011, 12:21 AM   #8
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Are you by any chance referring to the CHIAPPA 1911???
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Old February 16, 2011, 12:38 AM   #9
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I would just be careful about what exactly you are buying. Dedicated .22 caliber 1911's look-a-likes seem like the new trend among handgun manufacturers, and there are many options out there. Colt, Browning, Chiappa, GSG, Puma, and probably a few others all have dedicated .22 1911's.

The biggest thing to look at is the fact that some of them don't share a single part in common with a normal center fire 1911. I know that the Browning versions are actually 3/4 the size of a real 1911, so all of it's parts are proprietary. I believe that the Puma and the Chiappa version's are similar, though maybe not scaled down, but they still use proprietary parts.

I don't know about the Colt's, but I believe the GSG versions use real in spec 1911 frames. That would be the one I choose, since it would be the closest thing to a real 1911 you can get. You also have the possibility to replace some of the parts with common aftermarket pieces if you feel the need.
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Old February 16, 2011, 12:42 AM   #10
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I belive RIA .22 is compatable since they are selling a version with a 9mm and a 45 conversion for it.
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Old February 16, 2011, 01:19 AM   #11
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Find out which ones are made of decent material, at least two of the ones you mentioned are made of Zamak, which is, in my opinion, pot metal. You remember those cap guns we used to have when we were kids, the metal ones? They were basically the same stuff, 96% zinc.

You couldn't give me one.
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Old March 8, 2011, 03:14 AM   #12
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I've seen two cracked frames on the GSG and I find the Chiappa trigger kinda heavy........Gonna wait for the Browning to show up.
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Old March 8, 2011, 04:51 AM   #13
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I'm waiting for the RIA, it has a steel slide and a really good barrel. RIA gets it right when it comes to barrels. The M92ness isn't bothering me aesthetically.
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Old March 8, 2011, 07:48 AM   #14
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The Puma is the Chiappa with a different name on the slide. It's junk. It is essentially the Italian Kimar blank gun, sleeved for a .22 caliber barrel. It looks like a 1911 externally, but there is NOTHING about it that's 1911. You can read a review of it in the M1911.ORG e-zine:http://ezine.m1911.org/showthread.php?t=55

The GSG is actually constructed like a 1911, and supposedly you can swap in genuine 1911 parts for most items. I saw the original prototype at the SHOT Show in Orlando two years ago and it seemed to be very high quality, but reports now that it has hit the market have not been uniformly glowing with respect to quality. I haven't seen a production model in person so I can't comment.

The Armscor .22 uses a standard 1911 receiver, but the barrel is fixed and the upper half of the slide is cut away to reduce weight. Perhaps an ingenious solution, but not what I would prefer.

Kimber's Rimfire is all aluminum. It's a nice pistol and very accurate, but too light. I have airsoft 1911s that feel more like you're shooting a real gun.

To satisfy my craving for a dedicated .22 caliber 1911, I bought a cheap frame from Sarco in New Jersey, built it out using generic parts, and slapped a Ceiner conversion kit on it. My final cost was probably about on a par with buying a GSG, much less than buying a Kimber Rimfire, and I have a pistol that looks and feels like a real 1911.
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Old March 8, 2011, 09:28 AM   #15
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The Puma is the Chiappa with a different name on the slide
I'll agree with you on that one. However, I cant agree that they are complete junk. They are cheap replica .22s, they are what they are. They shoot and they are fun to play with on the range, but, don't expect a battlefield gun. I've sold several of the Chiappa and Puma guns, 1873 revolvers and 1911s. Everyone that has bought one loves it. Besides, my top dollar on them in $265. What should one expect out of that price range. At least it's better than a "you musta been HIpoint when you bought that one".
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Old March 8, 2011, 10:26 AM   #16
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The Chiappa Puma is crap. I bought one last year, it's been back to Dayton twice, and it's still crap.
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Old March 8, 2011, 10:46 AM   #17
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What's with the M9-esque slide?
Weight reduction.
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Old March 8, 2011, 09:44 PM   #18
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I've got a one of the Chiappa/Puma 1911-22's. Seems poorly made but mine actually works pretty well, it's been reliable, surprisingly accurate, and also a lot of fun.
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Old March 9, 2011, 10:34 PM   #19
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I purchased a new GSG 1911 about 2 weeks ago for $339. So far I've put about 500 rounds through the gun, mostly using Federal bulk pack ammo. A few stove pipes (always on the first round) and fail-to-feeds (always on the 2nd round), but the last 8 rounds in the mag always feed and eject perfectly. Seems others have had this same problem with only the first two in the mag, so I called ATI and they say that a redesigned mag follower will fix the problem. They will be sending a replacement on Friday.

All in all, a very nice gun for the money.

FYI - Sig Sauer is now marketing a rebranded GSG 1911. The grips look a little nicer and it carries the Sig Sauer logo on the left side. Their MSRP is $400.

http://www.sigsauer.com/products/Sho...&productid=323
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Old March 10, 2011, 11:09 AM   #20
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I have a GSG and like it a lot. Nice trigger, sights, accurate and feeds and fires every time. The only problem I've had with mine is that most of the time it does not lock the slide back on the last round. I'm guessing it's a mazazine issue. Anyway, it's been great little 1911. I have 1100 rounds thru mine so far.
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Old March 18, 2011, 11:42 PM   #21
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In an effort to save costs and more importantly improve my performance I purchased a ruger mk III 22/45. It has the grip angle, safety and slide release of the 1911. I couldn't be happier.

I'm researching now which 1911 to purchase. Leaning towards the Sig tac ops but the RIA tactical is looking very interesting. I sold my springfield GI as I never had the time to do the work on it.

In the meantime my aim has improved greatly. With the practice I'm grouping much better with my glock 23. The ruger target pistols are great quality and it's easy to find a deal.
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