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Old March 12, 2014, 08:53 AM   #2826
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Issa is a politician

It's pretty clear to me he's used F&F as a means to promote his own career. I really don't think he's all that interested in the truth. He'll settle for something far less if he can advance his own ends.
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Old March 12, 2014, 11:12 AM   #2827
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You're right. If he wanted justice, he could have gone after folks on the ground in the Phoenix field division. Instead, he had to go directly after the US Attorney General, even though he didn't know the extent of Holder's knowledge of the operation.

The result? A marginal media blitz, followed by the President effectively shutting down the investigation via executive privilege. Issa got to play the inquisitor for the cameras, but in the end, nobody's been prosecuted and nobody is likely to be.
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Old March 12, 2014, 11:25 AM   #2828
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It's pretty clear to me he's used F&F as a means to promote his own career. I really don't think he's all that interested in the truth. He'll settle for something far less if he can advance his own ends.
I said that here (very inelegantly, I might add ) almost exactly a year ago.
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Old March 12, 2014, 04:12 PM   #2829
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The result? A marginal media blitz, followed by the President effectively shutting down the investigation via executive privilege. Issa got to play the inquisitor for the cameras, but in the end, nobody's been prosecuted and nobody is likely to be.
I suggest that we ALL remember that when election time rolls around.
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Old March 12, 2014, 07:30 PM   #2830
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Issa might be something of an attention seeker, if you will, a ham actor, but he "seems" to have pursued the thing. At the risk of doing some members of congress an injustice, how much, or exactly what have the rest of them done.
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Old March 12, 2014, 09:30 PM   #2831
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+1. Not sure why someone trying to do something incurs our wrath even if not handled in the best possible way.
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Old March 13, 2014, 03:37 AM   #2832
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It's pretty clear to me he's used F&F as a means to promote his own career. I really don't think he's all that interested in the truth. He'll settle for something far less if he can advance his own ends.
I expect a degree of disingenuous behavior from any politician, Issa included. Any job that essentially requires you to be "what the people want" to be successful basically requires you to be something other than true to yourself. I don't really flinch at the grandstanding anymore. I just expect it.
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Old March 13, 2014, 10:46 PM   #2833
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As has been suggested, Congressman Issa might well be a self-serving "politician" in the very worst sense of the term.

That being said, and at the risk of repeating myself, perhaps looking dumb too, he at least has tried or seems to have tried, to do something, no matter how poorly he might have done it, even if self-aggrandizement played a role.

With this in mind, what have all those other members of congress, House and Senate done, what are they doing now?
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Old March 14, 2014, 08:35 AM   #2834
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With this in mind, what have all those other members of congress, House and Senate done, what are they doing now?
The correct answer is nothing.

The US congress is composed of anti-gunners and those who talk of "supporting our Second Amendment rights" at re-election time, get re-elected and forget their promises.

IMO: Issa tried to make a difference in the 2012 elections by attacking the US attorney general; he failed.
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Old March 14, 2014, 08:01 PM   #2835
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thallub wrote, quoting something I wrote, thanks,
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With this in mind, what have all those other members of congress, House and Senate done, what are they doing now?

The correct answer is nothing.

The US congress is composed of anti-gunners and those who talk of "supporting our Second Amendment rights" at re-election time, get re-elected and forget their promises.

IMO: Issa tried to make a difference in the 2012 elections by attacking the US attorney general; he failed.
Yesterday 11:46 PM

These "congress critters" also seem to have conveniently short memories. Look at how quickly they forget their oaths of office.
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Old March 20, 2014, 08:42 AM   #2836
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Sharryl Attkisson website

Sheryl fought hard for the truth at F+F.(Benghazi,too)
She had enough integrity to resign from CBS.

She has a website here

http://sharylattkisson.com/fast-and-furious.html

Actually,that will take you to her F+F index at the website.

I think her soon to be released book will prove interesting.
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Old March 22, 2014, 11:06 AM   #2837
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Attorney General Eric Holder on the $1.2 Billion fine imposed on Toyota for the unintended acceleration case:

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“Rather than promptly disclosing and correcting safety issues about which they were aware, Toyota made misleading public statements to consumers and gave inaccurate facts to members of Congress.”

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2014/0...#ixzz2whxhYFbe
Anyone else have their hypocrisy meter blow a fuse on that one?
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Old March 22, 2014, 09:34 PM   #2838
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Anyone else have their hypocrisy meter blow a fuse on that one?
In Holder's case I gave up on fuses long ago and just stuck a penny in the slot
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Old March 23, 2014, 12:23 AM   #2839
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gunloony qwrote:
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Anyone else have their hypocrisy meter blow a fuse on that one?
In Holder's case I gave up on fuses long ago and just stuck a penny in the slot.

If I may, is a single penny sufficient? I would think not.
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Old March 31, 2014, 12:21 PM   #2840
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As what can probably be called a footnote to this whole thing, former U.S. Attorney Dennis Burke has entered into an agreement with the Arizona Bar Association and accepted a reprimand from the state bar association for disclosing redacted versions of a couple of memos. Burke did so because thought the DOJ was making him the scapegoat. The agreement acknowledges that the OPR (Office of Professional Responsibility) had contacted the bar association and filed a copy of its report of its investigation into the matter. The OPR report itself is subject to a protective order. The agreement notes that Burke had already self-reported the matter to the bar association.

One might view the OPR's investigation and report to the bar association in a number of different ways. Perhaps it was sincerely seeking to uphold the ethical duty of confidentiality. Others might view it as an attempt to intimidate other employees with knowledge of matters making the Oval Office uncomfortable.
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Old March 31, 2014, 09:49 PM   #2841
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Might one make so bold as to describe the Obama Administration as rotten to its' core?

This characterization applies to/includes, but is not limited to Operation Fast & Furious, the general subject of discussion here.
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