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Old February 10, 2011, 08:21 PM   #51
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A lot of people seem to like the 30-06. I happen to think it's a great cartridge. I have 3 rifles that shoot it. One is my M1 Garand. But I also noticed that many who seem to like the 30-06, aren't looking at the "Reality" of a scenario that you could ONLY HAVE ONE. You're probably looking at it from WHERE YOU LIVE.

I like the 30-06, but it is NOT going to take a Ram Sheep or mountain goat at 400 or more yards. And unless you're reloading your own, it's probably going to be too much for very small animals. Again; you might not think you'll ever go after a mountain goat, sheep, or anything at 400+ yards. That's fine. But that wasn't the OP's question. When I think "ALL ROUNDS HUNTING", I have to think any possible hunt. At least in North America. When you get outside of the 7mm magnum or possibly 300 win magnum, you are either TOO MUCH GUN for some things or TOO LITTLE GUN for other things. The 30-06 is not good for those really long shots. Just me trying to answer the OP's question.
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Old February 10, 2011, 09:06 PM   #52
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Well thats alot of ground to cover & alot of lbs.but I sure do like REM 7600 IN 270win. Might not be the best way up north but it will raise sand in the south
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Old February 10, 2011, 09:40 PM   #53
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Something chambered for .358 Winchester. It is one of the most unpopular but best cartridges ever made. Read up on it when you get the chance.

http://www.chuckhawks.com/358Win_mystery.htm

http://www.gunandgame.com/forums/pow...cartridge.html

http://www.gunsandammo.com/content/the-great-358

I believe that the only rifle currently commercially produced for this cartridge is the Browning BLR. (Note one of the above articles lists a Ruger M77 Hawkeye but a check of Ruger's site does not indicate it is available in the 358 Win.) As for the Browning BLR, it is great rifle. The BLR, in a great cartridge ike the 358 Win, some nice glass of your choosing and a hunting you could go ready for any North American big-game species.

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Old February 10, 2011, 09:43 PM   #54
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The best gun for shooting everything from squirrels to moose Preferably a savage with a Leupold scope
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Old February 10, 2011, 09:47 PM   #55
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The best gun for shooting everything from squirrels to moose Preferably a savage with a Leupold scope
A Savage of what model and what caliber?
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Old February 10, 2011, 09:54 PM   #56
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best gun?

For what game you describe, I would take my trusty Blaser R-93 in 7mm mag.
Awesome caliber for these animals. Very accurate too.
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Old February 10, 2011, 10:04 PM   #57
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For the rifle it would either be Weatherby Vanguard or T/C Venture (both with 24" barrel. The caliber would be either 30-06 or 270 Win. The 06 would be loaded with 150 gr bullets for the smaller stuff and 180 gr for the elk/moose size stuff and the 270 would be shooting 130 gr for smaller and 140 gr for the larger. Both would be loaded with premium bonded bullets for the larger game.
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Old February 11, 2011, 02:43 AM   #58
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Well this is a road that's fun to go down every year or month whatever comes first. Like most of us I'm always looking for this answer. You cannot second guess the 06 as the one... until you toss around these ideas and try the rifles

Marlin 1895 45/70 big enough for anything especially in the pucker brush and alder/willow tangles where you might need to swing a barrel in AK. By the way its short light, handy and quick to shoot. Limitation is long range shots.

Go to gun is a mauser style bolt 30-06.. If it doesn't do it probably doesn't need to get done. Except in AK where it's only a starting point.

3.08?? I've got the most expensive rifle I've ever bought on order in this caliber and I think its like an 06, if it doesn't do it it probably doesn't need to be done. In particular I would never load a 220 in 06 and I doubt i'd ever load a 200. Rarely would you try those weights in a .308 because it doesn't need to get done. Once you work 168 and down the 06 isn't much difference unless you lengthen the tube.

Now for the answer: .338 Win Mag. Still works good in a short tube and you can go from 180 to 250 on bullets. This is a flat shooting, hard hitting, long range, short range anything in North America rifle and every one knows it. The rifle must be a controlled round feed with a field strippable bolt. Win pre 64 is the type. I've got mine, a rare SS left handed Win 70 classic.

Of course i've got the others too but what I'm missing is those twenty somethings. Maybe they're the answer? More research is required I'll get back to you in a couple of months

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Old February 11, 2011, 08:59 AM   #59
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I like the 30-06, but it is NOT going to take a Ram Sheep or mountain goat at 400 or more yards.
Facts:

150 grain 30/06 at 3,000 fps with 200 yard sight in and BC of 415 (Hornady Innerbond) will be -20.13" at 400 yards and still be going 2,143fps.

154 grain 7mm Mag at 3,000 fps with 200 yard sight in and BC of 530 (Hornady Innerbond) will be -18.71" at 400 yards and still going 2,294.

Figures are similar for different bullet weights.

What sheep is going to know the difference in 2" of drop and 151 fps.

These figures are from the newest Hornady and Barnes loading manuals.

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Old February 11, 2011, 09:01 AM   #60
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and the 7 mag kicks less
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Old February 11, 2011, 09:14 AM   #61
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and the 7 mag kicks less
This has not been my experience when shooting rifles of the same configeration and weight. Maybe it's just my perception, but I don't see much difference.


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Old February 11, 2011, 09:56 AM   #62
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A Winchester Model 94 Timber Carbine w/Williams 5D peep (or the Ashley XS) chambered for the .444 Marlin cartridge...everything from squirrels to elephants.
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Old February 11, 2011, 10:06 AM   #63
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To address the statement "the 30-06 is NOT going to take a Ram Sheep or mountain goat at 400 or more yards" I'd like to point out the fact that the 30-06 was THE standard round used by the US Army and the US Marine corps from 1906 until the 7.62 NATO came out in the mid 50s, and even after that the 06 was used as the standard snipers round until the late 60s. LOTS of shots have been successfully made (some out past 1200 yds) with the 30-06 against the enemies of the USA in all wars from WW1 to Viet Nam with the 30-06 and the 30-06 was the top contender for match shooting at 600 800 and 100 yds for several decades.
So the idea that it’s no good for a sheep at 500 yds would be analogous to saying a 357 magnum is a good police round at 25 yards but it just can't work at 30 yards.


You have not really thought that through have you......
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Old February 11, 2011, 10:16 AM   #64
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Sure am glad the smackdown has been administered on the venerable ole '06 and her capabilities. I might have taken offense and had to come out and defend the ole girl myself.

You know I do own a few magnum guns and enjoy taking them out shooting from time to time but I realize they just aren't necessary to get the job done. Honestly my 7mm08 will do anything the 7mmMag will do and about as well at respectable ranges. I think anyone that feels you have to have a magnum to shoot anything out there is suffering the Nepoleonic Pecker Syndrome and doesn't realize that its not really about how hard you can hit it, but more about where you place it that does the most damage.
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Old February 11, 2011, 10:35 AM   #65
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I have to agree with Wyosmith that the 30-06 is indeed effective out past 400 yards and I wouldn't hesitate to take a 500 or 600 yard shot with mine. I have personally taken deer (white tails) at 485 and 545 yards and they were one shot kills. All I load in my 30-06 loads are 165 and 180 gr. bullets and they are Remington Cor-loks. I swear by Cor-loks and use them almost exclusively in all my reloads in many calibers. A person who knows his rifle and ammo, and who has practiced long range shooting, and has confidence in his ability to put a bullet where he wants it, shouldn't refrain from taking shots past 400 yards with a 30-06.
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Old February 11, 2011, 10:48 AM   #66
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.308

.308... mine is a real inexpensive Remington... 788 with an old Redfield Wide View 2x-7x scope. Hunted with this little rifle for 25 years... taken so many white tails I have lost count. I guess 30.06 would be fine too but the .308 is accurate and can be loaded very close to the .06... I spray painted camouflage on the cheap little 'beechwood' stock... keep it clean and well oiled... work up your loads or make sure what type of ammunition it shoots well... I own a fairly wide variety of long guns and this is probably the least expensive and certainly the roughest looking of the bunch but when I go into the woods for some serious 'still' hunting... I throw this on my shoulder and it has never failed me. You put the bullet in the right place and this little weapon will drop anything on this continent... even the Brown or Grizzly... bullet choice and placement is paramount of course but it will do the job.
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Old February 11, 2011, 12:23 PM   #67
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Easy choice for me - Winchester 95 in 30-06 -





My wife gave it to me 6 years ago for our 25th anniversary - double reason for it being my favorite -
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Old February 11, 2011, 12:27 PM   #68
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Pretty much any savage rifle made

Did I mention Savage?

I think Savage might be the best....no wait...I am sure of it.

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Old February 11, 2011, 01:31 PM   #69
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Anything in .30-06 that's reliable. .45-70 is an overlooked choice, but it's also poor on anything past 150-200 yards without some serious "ballistic compensation.'' That being said, .45-70 will also stop anything on the continent. .30-06 was what I killed my first elk with, so I may be biased. There's always the .300 win mag, but forget about practice unless you reload. The .270 is a great round as well, and I have taken an elk with it as well. The problem with smaller calibers is bullet weight necessarily goes down. I shoot light for caliber 350 grn out of my .45-70 and mid-heavy 165s and 180s out of the .30-06. the .270 only likes 130 grn bullets in my rifle, so that's pretty much what I'm stuck with. The highest those go is around 150. That's a light-middle .30 caliber.

The most important thing, and I know this has been overstated, is shot placement. There isn't a bullet out there that you can miss with and still kill your game, unless you're talking prairie dogs and TNT bullets. My dad killed one with a 6mm that he blew up in front of the dog. The frag killed it.

Remington, Ruger, Thompson Center, and others all make great hunting rifles. H&R works for those of us on a budget. I own the H&R in .45-70. I figured if it was going to be one shot, it had better be a big one.
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Old February 11, 2011, 02:07 PM   #70
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30-06 can go heavier than 200 grains
Sure it can, but why would it? With current premium bullet construction, I can't imagine needing 220's...
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Old February 11, 2011, 02:09 PM   #71
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I neglected the sight portion of the original question. I want fiber optic open sights as backup and inclement weather sights. The optics would be a 2X7 on quick detach Warne mounts preferably with some sort of multi-aiming point or ballistic reticle.
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Old February 11, 2011, 05:52 PM   #72
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You'll never have a problem with the 308,30-06,270.
Ammo is everywhere and either will knock down DRT
any animal in North America excluding those that bite
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Old February 11, 2011, 10:16 PM   #73
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1st the sight: Swarovksi Z6 1.7-10 x 42
2nd the rifle: custom, probably Ed Brown, .300 Win Mag (unless they would chamber it in .300 Norma Mag)
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Old February 12, 2011, 12:07 AM   #74
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This one works fine for me.
Sako Finnbear in .30-06, w/ Nikon Monarch 4-12x40AO.
I've taken white tail, muleys, & russian boar with this rifle - availability of ammunition is a huge plus with the 30-06.

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Old February 12, 2011, 12:10 AM   #75
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Bruce,

That is one fine looking rifle that should do the job.
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