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Old February 9, 2011, 11:13 PM   #26
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one rifle..

Winchester 70 or Remington 700 in 30-06. Leupold VX2 or VX3.
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Old February 9, 2011, 11:27 PM   #27
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Since its blued and wood stocked I'd figure out how to take care of it in bad weather.
You can buy rain gear for your gun. Probably as easy to make your own out of water proof rip stop.

For my part I just keep the gun under my poncho and then clean it real good at the end of the day.

On edit a balloon type device over the barrel is a good idea.
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Old February 9, 2011, 11:34 PM   #28
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Depends where you live, and your experiences. I have lived from New Jersey, to Texas, to Georgia, to New Mexico, to California, to Mississippi, and to Wyoming. I've seen the woods of Appalachia and East Texas, to the Rocky Mountains of Wyoming and the Tetons. The open spaces of the prairies to the swamps of the gulf coast.

Best all around hunting rifle, would have to be qualified. Best for what. If I was told that forgetting local/state laws, and that I was only going to be allowed one rifle/caliber, but I would be allowed to hunt ANY POSSIBLE ANIMAL in the entire North America; from Florida to Alaska.... The answer would be easy.

7mm Remington Magnum.... With 110 grain bullets, you can shoot varmint, coyote, hogs, javalena, etc... you work you way up to shooting moose with 175 grain bullets. It has the flatness of shooting an Antelope or mountain goat at 400+ yards. There literally is not one animal in all of North America, that a 7mm magnum can't effectively shoot.

If you get into the 300 magnums and higher, then they are overkill for many small animals. If you get into the 270/280 and light power than the 7mm magnum, then you give up on the capability of either real long range or taking a very large animal like a Bull Moose. Some will say that there are better again moose; better brush guns; better antelope prairie guns; better all around calibers like 30-06 or 308. There are a lot of reasons to like all of these guns and calibers. And actually, I own just about all of them. But the question was best ALL AROUND hunting rifle. And if the original poster and others truly want the best ALL AROUND, then that has to include Alaska to Maine to Florida to Kansas to Wyoming etc... That would be the 7mm Remington Magnum. Any of the quality rifles in the caliber would be fine. If a person doesn't want to include certain states or certain animals in their hunt, then they can definitely argue a different caliber. But then, they wouldn't be describing the best "All Around". I love my Marlin and Winchester 30-30 lever actions. Excellent for deer hunting in east texas hill country. But that doesn't fall into the category of All Around. The 7mm magnum definitely does. Nothing too small and nothing too big. Not hunting on this continent.
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Old February 10, 2011, 02:12 AM   #29
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In the range of animals you mention, a Savage Weather Warrior in 270 Winchester would be my choice.
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Old February 10, 2011, 02:26 AM   #30
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It may not be the "perfect" all-around hunting rifle, but I seriously doubt such a creature exists...

However, I do have a rifle that has actually done the tasks described in the OP...

It's a Kimber 84M Classic Select Grade in .260 Remington. Scope is a Redfield Revolution 3-9x40mm. Bullets are 140gr Serria Gamekings @ ~2775fps.

EDIT: It's worth adding that the 6.5x55 Swede (ballistic twin to the .260 Rem) has been used for decades for moose hunting in Europe with great success. I've heard wind of a study done by some wildlife management organization over there that it didn't matter if the moose was shot with a .375H&H, a 6.5x55 Swede, or anything in between; on average, the moose ran about 50 meters and promptly died.
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Old February 10, 2011, 02:28 AM   #31
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I agree with CRISTCROP on caliber selection the 7mm Mag/300 Mag family of cartridges will get the job done.

The .308 is a really bad choice for moose and really not very good for elk either.

The 30/06 is ok as long as you use a proper bullet such as the 180 GR Barnes A-Frame or X-bullet but not a really good choice for moose.

If I could have only one caliber to hunt anything on the continent with out question I would choose the .375 H&H.With proper bullet selection excessive meat destruction is not a problem .If you are a reloader you can load the powder charge down for deer and use a 225 Gr.bullet and load full magnum charges for the big stuff like bears,moose and elk.

If I could have only one rifle it would be a T/C Encore with three barrels chambered in .243 , 7mm Mag , .375 H&H.

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Old February 10, 2011, 08:19 AM   #32
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I have always said that if I was ABSOLUTELY limited to one rifle, it would be a 30/06. My favorite scope right now is the 3mm tube VX3 in 4.5x14x40. However, for moose and the big bears, I would really prefer my 338/06.

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Old February 10, 2011, 10:23 AM   #33
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The absolute best all-round cartridge is the 30-06, made even better by handloading. I've loaded 125, 150, 165, and 180 grain bullets from various makers which will take crows/woodchucks, deer, elk, moose, and most bears very nicely.

A Remington 700 is my favorite medium to large game rifle, but being a better than average shot, choose the .270 Win for a bit better long-range trajectory with hot handloads.

I wouldn't go after browns or grizzlies with either caliber, but won't be doing that anyway.
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Old February 10, 2011, 11:02 AM   #34
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I'll take my BSA Monarch in 30'06 along with a Ziess 3X9X40mm scope or something similar with a wide range of loads doped for the scope. Heck, I'd roll with that thing on 90+% of the African game too.
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Old February 10, 2011, 11:17 AM   #35
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Browning BAR for the platform. (I like the Rem 700 for a bolt)

I like the 30-06 - will handle anything you need unless you are really going into long range stuff.

For a little more flexibility, (more expensive bullets and more recoil) I would go with the 300 Win Mag.

I prefer 30 caliber rounds over the 7mm's of the world for broad application.
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Old February 10, 2011, 11:53 AM   #36
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+1 30-06

we raise bison and have had success harvesting them with a .357 mag to the head untill recently we had one that would not go down (under kill? odd bull with a wild hair crosswise?). I always bring the 30-06 on harvest days but have not had to use it untill this last time. 2 .357 hp's in the head just seemed to make him upset. one shot with the 06 behind the ear dropped him like a lead ballon. I would trust my life to this cartridge and trust me when you raise bison everytime you work with the animals you better trust what gun your carrying.
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Old February 10, 2011, 05:22 PM   #37
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The .308 is a really bad choice for moose and really not very good for elk either.
Yeah...you know the bullets will bounce off if you use a 308.

Just don't tell that to all the dead elk that were killed with a 30-30.
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Old February 10, 2011, 05:26 PM   #38
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7mm Rem/ 300 Win.

I would flip a coin between my 7mm Rem. mag Sako 75 stainless with a 4-16X50 Pentax, and my Weatherby Vanguard Stainless 300 Winchester Mag. with a Bushnell 3-9X50. Heads or tails either way the right choice would be made for me.
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Old February 10, 2011, 05:35 PM   #39
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Any good bolt action .30-06 with a Leupold 4x12, shooting 165 or 180 premium bullets.
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Old February 10, 2011, 05:51 PM   #40
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Yeah...you know the bullets will bounce off if you use a 308.
No one ever said they would bounce off, just not the ideal caliber to shoot a Moose with by any standards.
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Old February 10, 2011, 06:01 PM   #41
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Although I completely understand the original statement, I respectfully disagree. If we are talking about 'hunting' elk and not 'shooting' elk from a great distance, the 308 and 30-06 are equally effective. The 30-06 has a very slight edge with 180 grain bullets...but not enough to notice. If you are too far for a 308, then you are too far for a 30-06 as well.

We don't need all the calibers/cartridges that we have. We only have them for one reason...companies need to make a profit. If people really knew they could hunt everything in the world with a 30-30, 30-06 and a 45/70, we would not sell as many guns.

Take your pick...it doesn't matter to me. But when people start saying that a 308 is marginal for moose or elk, that is when I must speak up and say 'balderdash'.
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Old February 10, 2011, 06:11 PM   #42
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The .308 is a really bad choice for moose and really not very good for elk either.
You should ask some people who hunt Elk about that... .243 is not uncommon among women and young people, especially those with an aversion to recoil.

.308 is plenty enough for Elk, PLENTY. It's not even close to being marginal.

Even on moose, as long as you're not taking "racking" shots, a good "normal" broadside shot at a reasonable distance, it's still plenty enough gun.
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Old February 10, 2011, 06:12 PM   #43
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One more for the 7 mag

To echo a previous post, if I had to choose I would take my 7mm magnum over my 30.06. There is nothing wrong with a properly equipped 30.06 but for me the 7mm's long range capability wins me over. Larger game animals aren't always in your lap when your hunting. Just my .02.
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Old February 10, 2011, 06:12 PM   #44
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.308 is limited to bullet size where as a 30-06 has a much greater range, therefore a lot more versatility.

This wasn't an argument about why one round shouldn't be used for X game, but rather if the original poster had a choice what rifle should he go with that is inherently capable, by different state laws, and such to hunt any game in North America.

The answer, 30-06 with its wide range of bullet weights and versatility.
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Old February 10, 2011, 06:26 PM   #45
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.308 is limited to bullet size where as a 30-06 has a much greater range, therefore a lot more versatility.

This wasn't an argument about why one round shouldn't be used for X game, but rather if the original poster had a choice what rifle should he go with that is inherently capable, by different state laws, and such to hunt any game in North America.

The answer, 30-06 with its wide range of bullet weights and versatility.

Interesting.

So, a .30-06 can fire a 110gr Hornady RN at 3,513fps from a 24" barrel, the .308 can do 3,434fps, 3,014ft/lbs and 2,880, respectively.

.30-06, 150gr Hornady RN, 3,102fps, .308 same bullet, 3,029fps, 3,204ft/lbs and 3,055 ft/lbs.

.30-06, 200gr Sierra Matchking, 2,673fps, .308, 2,576fps, 3,173ft/lbs, 2,947ft/lbs

So, the .308 is 95.5%, 95.34% and 92.8% as powerful as a .30-06 firing the exact same bullet but one of them is "marginal" and less versatile than the other?
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Old February 10, 2011, 06:27 PM   #46
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A lightweight 22" barrel 30-06 with a Leupold 2.5X8 VXIII.

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Old February 10, 2011, 06:31 PM   #47
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30-06 can go heavier than 200 grains so your leaving out a good deal of its versatility compared to a .308.

I'm done debating over it, especially when you are only telling half truths.
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Half truths?

Please.

Virtually every mention of the .30-06 in this thread that mentions bullet weight specifically suggests a 180gr bullet.


Anyway, 250gr bullet, .308, 2,293fps, 2,919ft/lbs.

.30-06, same bullet, 2,482fps, 3,420ft/lbs.

So, the .308 would be a measly 85% of the .30-06 with a bullet 50-80gr bigger than virtually anyone would use in either gun.

Sometimes I'm amazed at the discussions we can't have without calling people liars.
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Old February 10, 2011, 07:15 PM   #49
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My 700 BDL in 7mm mag - has done the job for a lot of years
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Old February 10, 2011, 08:03 PM   #50
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I'd get a tried and true Rem 700 customized with surgeon barrel, etc etc in .270 Win with a Bell and Carlson stock topped with 4.5-14x44 Zeiss Conquest Optics. Can take elk and moose with it. Bears too as long as you shoot it a couple times.

If its the only rifle I'll ever be able to own then I am spending all the money I got because if that's the case there is something very wrong. Money has little meaning to me at that point in the game.
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