The Firing Line Forums

Go Back   The Firing Line Forums > Hogan's Alley > Handguns: The Semi-automatic Forum

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools
Old February 8, 2011, 09:04 AM   #51
Constantine
Senior Member
 
Join Date: December 5, 2010
Location: Miami, Florida
Posts: 5,173
Oh well "/ works for some not for others. Wish it worked for all :'( haha
__________________
Sáncte Míchael Archángele, defénde nos in proélio, cóntra nequítiam et insídias diáboli ésto præsídium. Ímperet ílli Déus, súpplices deprecámur: tuque, prínceps milítiæ cæléstis, Sátanam aliósque spíritus malígnos, qui ad perditiónem animárum pervagántur in múndo, divína virtúte, in inférnum detrúde. Ámen
Constantine is offline  
Old February 8, 2011, 09:05 AM   #52
JCP281
Senior Member
 
Join Date: December 29, 2009
Location: Texas
Posts: 349
Short and sweet, on a striker fired gun, I dont want any safeties other than an internal one incase the pistol is dropped.

The backstrap safety is redundant and just another thing to go wrong on the gun. The trigger is not easy to pull like a 1911, there is no need for it.
JCP281 is offline  
Old February 8, 2011, 10:03 AM   #53
Claddagh
Senior Member
 
Join Date: February 6, 2009
Location: Central Indiana
Posts: 313
There can't be an "everyone" without me, and I don't hate it

Also occurs to me that they sure seem to sell a bunch of 'em, so I guess I must not be alone in that.
Claddagh is offline  
Old February 8, 2011, 11:18 AM   #54
Constantine
Senior Member
 
Join Date: December 5, 2010
Location: Miami, Florida
Posts: 5,173


I love my XD45

-fin-
__________________
Sáncte Míchael Archángele, defénde nos in proélio, cóntra nequítiam et insídias diáboli ésto præsídium. Ímperet ílli Déus, súpplices deprecámur: tuque, prínceps milítiæ cæléstis, Sátanam aliósque spíritus malígnos, qui ad perditiónem animárum pervagántur in múndo, divína virtúte, in inférnum detrúde. Ámen
Constantine is offline  
Old February 8, 2011, 11:21 AM   #55
XD Gunner
Senior Member
 
Join Date: October 18, 2006
Location: Central Kentucky
Posts: 636
Quote:
All BS, put in place to appease the liberal politicians.
How liberal were the politicians in 1911?

Have fun with your revolvers.

I have had zero issues with the grip safety on either one of my XDs or my 1911. I don't have a problem with it. It was also included on the HS2000, which was adopted by the Croatian military. I should mention that the HS2000, at the time, was not available in the US, so it definitely wasn't put there for "the lawyers or politicians."
__________________
I've had 1911s and carry a mutant CCO-sized 1911-ish thing. -Jart

If handguns cause crimes, mine's defective.- Eric Shelton

Last edited by XD Gunner; February 8, 2011 at 11:32 AM.
XD Gunner is offline  
Old February 8, 2011, 11:24 AM   #56
Constantine
Senior Member
 
Join Date: December 5, 2010
Location: Miami, Florida
Posts: 5,173
Quote:
Originally Posted by XD Gunner View Post
How liberal were the politicians in 1911?
LMFAO!!! That's too funny man, good point.

Though honestly speaking all these talks about gun safeties and bans and all that..bans especially is making our forefathers turn in their graves. It has to stop. Really.
__________________
Sáncte Míchael Archángele, defénde nos in proélio, cóntra nequítiam et insídias diáboli ésto præsídium. Ímperet ílli Déus, súpplices deprecámur: tuque, prínceps milítiæ cæléstis, Sátanam aliósque spíritus malígnos, qui ad perditiónem animárum pervagántur in múndo, divína virtúte, in inférnum detrúde. Ámen
Constantine is offline  
Old February 8, 2011, 11:45 AM   #57
orangello
Senior Member
 
Join Date: February 25, 2009
Posts: 566
I have a XD45 & have not been bothered by the grip safety. It is the first grip safety i have owned.

So far the only issue i've had with my XD is the imperfect dot in my front sight, but i've purchased some of that Glow On stuff to cover the dot with a bigger GLOW dot.
orangello is offline  
Old February 8, 2011, 01:56 PM   #58
Dragline45
Senior Member
 
Join Date: November 30, 2010
Posts: 2,402
Never had a problem with grip safeties, never heard of a malfunction occurring with them. But I still think they are completely unnecessary, kinda like the internal locks on smith revolvers:barf:
Dragline45 is offline  
Old February 8, 2011, 03:21 PM   #59
jersey_emt
Senior Member
 
Join Date: June 23, 2009
Posts: 440
I don't have a problem with the grip safety on the Springfield XD. It requires barely any pressure to disengage, and honestly, I don't even feel it, unlike 1911's where it's definitely noticeable.

Quote:
Originally Posted by gunnotes
I have never had a problem with any handgun that I owned that had a grip safety. I like them. I just wish the XD also had a manual saftey then I might buy one.
The .45 ACP model is available with a manual safety, similar in operation to a 1911 (frame-mounted, up is safe, down is boom).

Quote:
Originally Posted by Micahweeks
I don't see the point of it. The Glock has the same kind of trigger and no grip safety, and it is an extremely popular seller. Sometimes I think they did it just to differentiate themselves from Glock. Like I said, I don't mind it. I just don't know why they bothered.
The striker on a Glock pistol is only partially cocked by the slide. Pulling the trigger will fully cock the striker and then release it. This is why Glocks are classified as "double-action" by the BAFTE.

The Springfield XD trigger is a true single-action design. The striker is fully cocked by the slide. The XD was designed to be a modern, polymer-framed, striker-fired version of a 1911. The grip angle is the same as a 1911, it has a single-action trigger, and adding the grip safety was a natural extension of this design philosophy.
__________________
A liberal firearms owner and 2A supporter from New Jersey (yes, we do exist).
SIG Sauer P6, S&W Model 59, Ruger Mark II "NRA Endowment" special edition, Mossberg 500 12-gauge.

Please check out WhichGun.com, a firearms reference and buying guide.
jersey_emt is offline  
Old February 8, 2011, 03:35 PM   #60
Cheapshooter
Senior Member
 
Join Date: December 2, 2007
Location: Missouri
Posts: 4,235
Quote:
Why does every one hate the XD grip safety
Far from everyone! I have no problem with the grip safety on my XD40 Sub.
The ones that do hate it do so because the XD is not their chosen brand of gun.
That generally falls in the category of "gun snob"
__________________
Cheapshooter's rules of gun ownership #1: NEVER SELL OR TRADE ANYTHING!
Cheapshooter is offline  
Old February 8, 2011, 05:20 PM   #61
OsOk-308
Senior Member
 
Join Date: October 8, 2010
Location: Colorado
Posts: 273
I like them, but then again, the 1911 feels fantastic to me, and I love the grip safety idea. It allows you to grab the gun and shoot, without handling any safety switch.
OsOk-308 is offline  
Old February 8, 2011, 05:30 PM   #62
SPUSCG
Senior Member
 
Join Date: January 25, 2008
Posts: 3,004
At least its not a magazine disconnect.
__________________
Check us out: www.imfdb.org. Fun site for people who love gun movies.
SPUSCG is offline  
Old February 13, 2011, 04:12 AM   #63
jeepman4804
Senior Member
 
Join Date: February 13, 2008
Posts: 209
Quote:
The striker on a Glock pistol is only partially cocked by the slide. Pulling the trigger will fully cock the striker and then release it. This is why Glocks are classified as "double-action" by the BAFTE.

The Springfield XD trigger is a true single-action design. The striker is fully cocked by the slide. The XD was designed to be a modern, polymer-framed, striker-fired version of a 1911. The grip angle is the same as a 1911, it has a single-action trigger, and adding the grip safety was a natural extension of this design philosophy.
Your point? All of my M&P's are a true "single action" and the striker is fully cocked by the slide. Not to mention my .45FS with a competition Apex kit has a 3.5lbs pull and I have never had a ND. The XD and M&P have a pretty long take-up and "split" triggers so I see no need for an extra piece of equipment that can fail or cause problems clearing malfunctions. Or as previously mentioned cause a FTF because of a bad grip. You can still get rounds on target with a bad grip and I agree that in a real world encounter you are more likely to have this problem arise.

Like I said... I don't hate it, I just see its purpose in this particular style of weapon.

EDIT: As for mag safeties, I think they are worthless too. I will not purchase a gun with one and if I have to it gets removed...
jeepman4804 is offline  
Old February 13, 2011, 05:14 PM   #64
HKFan9
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 3, 2008
Posts: 2,706
I never even notice a grip safety when I'm shooting. I don't care if it has one or not.... just be proficient enough to pick up a weapon and know how to use it. If you don't like it.... don't buy it... If you do like it... buy it. Glocks are good guns... but if I get one for free I'd sell it the next day and put the money towards another 1911.
HKFan9 is offline  
Old March 5, 2013, 04:23 AM   #65
jp_over
Member
 
Join Date: February 4, 2006
Location: Savannah, GA
Posts: 58
XD grip safety

I realize this is an old thread, but I'm looking to upgrade my G21 to either an HK or an XD simply because of the unsupported case head issue (never had a problem, but am upgrading anyway).

I have shot the XD quite a few times and don't really have a problem with the grip safety but I don't want it pure and simple (neither do I want Springfield's ILS).

I've e-mailed Springfield to find out if I can get an XD without these options but I doubt it. Likely, I'll end up with the HK not out of any "fan club" reasons but because I can get a pistol set up just like a Glock - the only safety I want is the trigger.

Of note, I also own an old Colt 1911 (MKIV Series 70 Government, 1976) and I have no complaints about the grip safety. However, I treat it as an excellent piece of American history and it's not one that I carry often.

For my go-to gun, less is better.
jp_over is offline  
Old March 5, 2013, 07:49 AM   #66
foxytwo
Senior Member
 
Join Date: June 24, 2010
Posts: 183
Cheapshooter has hit the nail on the head. Also when I reholster I put my thumb on the rear of the sliide and the pistol can not fire if something catches in the trigger, unlike pistols without the grip safety. Some highly trained people have shot themselves in the leg while reholstering.
foxytwo is offline  
Old March 5, 2013, 10:28 AM   #67
jmr40
Senior Member
 
Join Date: June 15, 2008
Location: Georgia
Posts: 5,870
Grip safety's, even on 1911's are more likely to prevent the gun from firing when you want it to fire, than to prevent it from firing when you don't want it to fire.

I tolerate them on my 1911' simply because the 1911 is an otherwise great design and that was part of the design. The 1911 grip safety is better designed as well, and yes I've owned an XD before. I won't tolerate them on an XD because I have the option buying of several other guns that do the same thing, maybe even do it better, and they don't have one.
jmr40 is online now  
Old March 5, 2013, 10:55 AM   #68
TunnelRat
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 22, 2011
Posts: 4,292
Quote:
Grip safety's, even on 1911's are more likely to prevent the gun from firing when you want it to fire, than to prevent it from firing when you don't want it to fire.
Interesting. What do you have to substantiate this?
__________________
Guns don't kill people. Apes with guns kill people! - Robin Williams
TunnelRat is offline  
Old March 5, 2013, 10:57 AM   #69
jp_over
Member
 
Join Date: February 4, 2006
Location: Savannah, GA
Posts: 58
Springfield response

Got this response from Springfield:

"Due to an overwhelming volume of e-mails, we have created a list of answers to the most frequently asked questions we are receiving.
• Orders are being shipped as quickly as possible, though they may take up to eight weeks for delivery.
• Web store orders may not be changed after you complete check out.
• After your credit card is charged, orders are shipped within 24 hours and you will not receive a shipment notice.
• If you have questions regarding any proposed legislation, please contact your local, state, or federal representatives.

We hope you find this response helpful.

Sincerely,

Springfield, Inc."

I posed the question again to both the sales e-mail and the custom shop e-mail to see if I can get an answer on ordering an XD with no grip safety and no ILS.

Also, jmr40 - agreed. Whether it's Murphy or a bad grip, one more step isn't necessary if you pay attention to your trigger finger.

Last edited by jp_over; March 5, 2013 at 11:05 AM.
jp_over is offline  
Old March 5, 2013, 11:02 AM   #70
TunnelRat
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 22, 2011
Posts: 4,292
Quote:
I posed the question again to both the sales e-mail and the custom shop e-mail to see if I can get an answer on ordering an XD with no grip safety and no ILS.
Why would they do that?
__________________
Guns don't kill people. Apes with guns kill people! - Robin Williams
TunnelRat is offline  
Old March 5, 2013, 11:07 AM   #71
jp_over
Member
 
Join Date: February 4, 2006
Location: Savannah, GA
Posts: 58
There are a number of custom options available, I figured why not ask?
jp_over is offline  
Old March 5, 2013, 11:17 AM   #72
TunnelRat
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 22, 2011
Posts: 4,292
Quote:
There are a number of custom options available, I figured why not ask?
I spose, though most of those options don't change the fundamental design of the firearm. At that point doesn't it make more sense to pick from any other of the polymer wonders?
__________________
Guns don't kill people. Apes with guns kill people! - Robin Williams
TunnelRat is offline  
Old March 5, 2013, 11:20 AM   #73
YankeeSpirit76
Member
 
Join Date: January 30, 2013
Location: Bradley County, Tennessee
Posts: 24
I don't even notice it, and, I'm kinda glad it's there.
__________________
.".....that whensoever the general government assumes undelegated powers, its acts are unauthoritative, void, and of no force....."
-Thomas Jefferson,Kentucky Resolutions of 1798
YankeeSpirit76 is offline  
Old March 5, 2013, 11:24 AM   #74
jp_over
Member
 
Join Date: February 4, 2006
Location: Savannah, GA
Posts: 58
Quote:
I spose, though most of those options don't change the fundamental design of the firearm. At that point doesn't it make more sense to pick from any other of the polymer wonders?
Good point. Simple answer, I like the XD and how it shoots but I'd like to try and get it "my way". Alternatively, I might simply keep my G21 or check out the P227, HK45, and maybe the newer G21 (though I've heard the case head support issue with which I'm concerned is not really an issue with factory loaded 45 ACP).
jp_over is offline  
Old March 5, 2013, 11:35 AM   #75
TunnelRat
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 22, 2011
Posts: 4,292
Quote:
the case head support issue
To my knowledge this was only really an issue with earlier generation Glocks and mostly in 40SW. I am not aware of Glock having any more problems with its 45 ACP line than any other manufacturer out there. If you just don't like Glocks I can understand, neither do I, but I don't think your current concern is one that is honestly an issue.
__________________
Guns don't kill people. Apes with guns kill people! - Robin Williams
TunnelRat is offline  
Closed Thread

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:20 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
This site and contents, including all posts, Copyright © 1998-2014 S.W.A.T. Magazine
Copyright Complaints: Please direct DMCA Takedown Notices to the registered agent: thefiringline.com
Contact Us
Page generated in 0.16767 seconds with 7 queries