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Old January 14, 2011, 04:05 PM   #1
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Brokaw: "I Would Be Nervous Going Into A Bar" In Arizona

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vid...n_arizona.html

Brokow states that Arizona residents can carry concealed without a permit. With a simple search I found that you must have a permit to carry concealed and to get a permit one of the rules is you have to go to an 8 hour class. I hope his uninformed mind does not spread false facts to others.
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Old January 14, 2011, 04:37 PM   #2
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Dude.... he's on TV. His job is to spread "information" to others. When it's false information, he spreads it to others just as easily.



He's right about one thing.... I'm always nervous if I have to go to a bar. That's why I don't. Guns don't have anything to do with it though.
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Old January 14, 2011, 04:41 PM   #3
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Its illegal to carry concealed in any establishment that serves alcohol. At least it is in the great state of Alabama. Who cares what Tom Brokow or any other liberal thinks. They wont be happy until we no longer have ANY gun.
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Old January 14, 2011, 04:41 PM   #4
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Correct me if I am wrong,,,

But didn't Arizona just pass a law legalizing carry without a permit?

I'm 98% certain I read that here somewhere.

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Old January 14, 2011, 05:33 PM   #5
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Arizona did pass constitutional carry. Obtaining a permit is optional. And 42 states allow concealed carry in premises that serve alcohol although some limit it to restaurants only). Two of the remaining 8 (Wisconsin and Illinois) don't allow concealed carry at all.

Brokaw has probably sat next to a CCW holder in a bar and didn't know it.

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Its illegal to carry concealed in any establishment that serves alcohol. At least it is in the great state of Alabama
According to Handgunlaw.us there is no specific state law prohibiting Alabamans from carrying in a liquor establishment, but the state allows sheriffs to put their own additional restrictions on permit holders, some choose to ban bar carry.
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Old January 14, 2011, 06:28 PM   #6
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I'd be nervous in any bar that let Tom Brokaw in.
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Old January 14, 2011, 09:03 PM   #7
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I carry in bars in Colorado. It's never been a problem. I'm sure it never will be.

If somebody is afraid to be around guns, that's his problem, not mine.
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Old January 14, 2011, 09:21 PM   #8
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With a simple search I found that you must have a permit to carry concealed and to get a permit one of the rules is you have to go to an 8 hour class.
I'm pretty sure you don't need a permit to carry in Arizona, so Brokaw's right on that count.

I love how he mentioned storing ammo in "underground bunkers". Try to make these gun nuts look insane and paranoid by saying they have bunkers
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Old January 14, 2011, 10:05 PM   #9
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Don't ya remember the bury the guns in PVC threads of the good ol' days?
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Old January 14, 2011, 10:15 PM   #10
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Don't ya remember the bury the guns in PVC threads of the good ol' days?
Sure do! Wipe it down with Hoppe's, plug the ends of the tube, and flush it with nitrogen. Then bury it deep enough that metal detectors can't find it.

Thing is, if you're going to do it, make sure you know exactly where you buried it. Otherwise, someone might come and start building a subdivision over the land where you (forgot) you buried a Colt Sporter back in 1993.

Ask me how I know this. Great story.

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Old January 14, 2011, 10:23 PM   #11
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I'd be nervous in any bar that let Tom Brokaw in.
Not me, but any bar that would serve him wouldn't be any fun.
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Old January 14, 2011, 10:26 PM   #12
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We eliminated the permit in September of last year when we enacted Constitutional Carry, which says you may conceal if you are not going to commit a crime, (basically), BUT we still offer it for those who want it. To carry in an establishment serving open alcohol you MUST have a permit and the establishment must NOT have the sign posted prohibiting carry. Also the permittee may NOT consume any alcohol.
I think the training for CCW can be waived now if you had practically any training before whatsoever, and the mandatory class is something like 4 hours. When it started in '94, it was 16 hours.
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Old January 15, 2011, 07:00 PM   #13
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just watch some of MSNBC and you can get a headache with all the anti-gun retoric going on. Its called main stream media
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Old January 15, 2011, 09:47 PM   #14
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Its illegal to carry concealed in any establishment that serves alcohol. At least it is in the great state of Alabama. Who cares what Tom Brokow or any other liberal thinks. They wont be happy until we no longer have ANY gun.
Not true - in alabama it depends on the sheriff. He can restrict it like he can with a bunch of other parameters, but by state law, there is nothing prohibiting you from carrying in a bar.

I think my permit says 51% revenue comes from alcohol served then I can't carry. Others say 'any place' selling alcohol (liquor stores too). Others don't have any restrictions. Alabama is very hit and miss on the actual details of CCW.

As for AZ, they have constitutional carry but you need a permit to carry into a few off limits places like bars.
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Old January 15, 2011, 11:16 PM   #15
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Brokow would be nervous to be in a bar in PA. you can open carry without a license. there are no legal restrictions on carry and or drinking in a bar.
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Old January 16, 2011, 10:20 AM   #16
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Gee Tom, pay no attention to the fact that the parking lot at that bar is full of vehicles that may soon be driven down the road by the patrons of that same bar.
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Old January 16, 2011, 11:05 AM   #17
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just watch some of MSNBC and you can get a headache with all the anti-gun retoric going on. Its called main stream media
It's only called that by people who like to pretend that the network they're watching isn't mainstream. The network most fond of branding MSNBC "mainstream" actually has more viewers.
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Old January 16, 2011, 11:10 AM   #18
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Apart from Brokaw's reference to "underground bunkers," I really can't see anything here to complain about. He isn't reporting news, nor is he pretending to. It's an op-ed piece. He was correct about concealed carry without a permit, and he's entitled to feel anxious about bars.
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Old January 16, 2011, 11:13 AM   #19
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I would think that a big celebrity would be nervous going into any bar, in any state, but that's just me.
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Old January 16, 2011, 11:22 AM   #20
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I'm not sure this is even a valid topic in L&CR.
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Old January 19, 2011, 10:01 AM   #21
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Brokaw is yet another left-wing weenie ... I wouldn't patronize a bar that would let him past the door ...
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Old January 19, 2011, 11:00 AM   #22
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I wouldn't patronize a bar that doesn't support Constitutional freedoms, or that has people on the door checking your beliefs or background before you can come in.

Defeats the point of a bar.
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Old January 19, 2011, 11:23 AM   #23
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How obnoxious...and usually the argument is "Well, if someone gets drunk they'll shoot people up!"

Paying no attention, of course, to the fact that alcohol does not fundamentally alter character.
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Old January 19, 2011, 11:52 AM   #24
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Paying no attention, of course, to the fact that alcohol does not fundamentally alter character.
Very true, it actually amplifies it.
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Old January 19, 2011, 11:56 AM   #25
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Most ranges prohibit alcohol.
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