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Old December 22, 2010, 11:39 PM   #1
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327 federal Whats the big deal?

Wouldn't a hand loaded 7.62x25 tok do the same thing and for a lot cheaper. Someone should make a revolver in 7.62x25 or a Glock chambered in it would be awesome.
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Old December 23, 2010, 12:00 AM   #2
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Why not the 7.62x25 instead of the .327 Fed in a revolver? Because moon clips are a pain in the behind, that's why.
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Old December 23, 2010, 01:23 AM   #3
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might be true.
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Old December 23, 2010, 01:56 AM   #4
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awe common they wouldn't be that bad besides they make revolvers in 32 acp and 30 carbine and from what ive heard they make Ruger Blackhawks in 9mm and 38/357 with interchanging cylinders and a cylinder for the 45 colt model to shoot 45 acp you mind explaining to me how the heck they get moon clips in a Blackhawk or a Russian nagant for that matter.
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Old December 23, 2010, 02:00 AM   #5
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Bottle necked cartridges don't always do real well in a wheel gun....ie.22 Jet
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Old December 23, 2010, 02:04 AM   #6
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you mind explaining to me how the heck they get moon clips in a Blackhawk or a Russian nagant for that matter.
As I understand it, the mill off a bit from the back of the cylinder to make room for the clips. Spendy, I'd bet.
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Old December 23, 2010, 02:24 AM   #7
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I don't think the blackhawks use moon clips
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Old December 23, 2010, 02:47 AM   #8
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I would LOVE to see a glock in 7.62x25 What a great gun that could be!
Never happen though
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Old December 23, 2010, 02:47 AM   #9
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You'll never see the 7.62x25 approach the potential of the new .327 mag. simply put, the .327 is an adequate defense round in a sub-bore, and a versatile target/hunting round. It may never be very popular for defense, however it will probably find it's niche with the target and small-game crowd.
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Old December 23, 2010, 02:56 AM   #10
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But isn't the velocity bullet weight and bullet diameter close to the same on both the only thing is with the 7.62x25 your stuck with the CZ 52 or the Tokarev?
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Old December 23, 2010, 09:50 AM   #11
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The 30 carbine Blackhawk headspaces on the cartridge mouth, so no moonclips. It is VERY sensitive to case length, making it a bit annoying to reload for, and the only case I have needed to trim. I would guess a 9mm Blackhawk would headspace the same way.

Side note, according to Ballistics by the Inch, 327 mag has about the same ballistics as 30 carbine from a carbine-length barrel.

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Old December 23, 2010, 10:17 AM   #12
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Gotta headspace off something....

Unless they built the cylinder with a step in each charge hole to give the case mouth something to headspace on (making for trickier reloading procedures, not to mention manufacturing processes -Headspace the exact same in all six holes?) you'll need moon clips (with a milled-off cylinder) or a rimmed case.

Mehbee you'll invent the 7.62x25 Auto-Rim, eh? That'd sell like ......... not hotcakes.......... um..... er ...... .45 Auto-Rim?
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Old December 23, 2010, 09:41 PM   #13
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I'll take my CZ-52 over any over priced new .327! And I don't mean maybe!
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Old December 23, 2010, 10:06 PM   #14
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The 7.62x25 is a fairly long cartridge. The overall length is longer than that of the 10mm or the .38 super. It's hard to fit it into a gun without retooling entirely.

I too have noticed some similarities between the 7.62x25 and the .327 mag. However, heavier bullet weights are available for the .327 mag. Loads are available with 115 gr bullets, fired at similar velocities to a 115 gr 9x19. Or, at least they would be if you could get one with a longer barrel than the compact revolvers it's mostly chambered in.

I still don't really think I understand it. The 9mm Federal still makes a hell of a lot more sense as a defense cartridge.

Is the ability to fire .32 H&R mag or .32 long really that big of a deal? Or is the big deal fitting an extra round into a cylinder?
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Old December 23, 2010, 10:09 PM   #15
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Or is the big deal fitting an extra round into a cylinder?
Bingo. Folks love a six-shooter, and love small revolvers. Put them together and you have a winner.
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Old December 23, 2010, 11:46 PM   #16
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Or is the big deal fitting an extra round into a cylinder?
That is one of the main advantages. Fit something with the energy of a +P 38, but with an extra round in the cylinder.
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Old December 24, 2010, 12:01 AM   #17
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...Have you actually fired one?
Out of the Ruger SP-101, recoil is also greatly reduced from even .38 Spl +P, IMO. I've shot a lot of it.
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Old December 24, 2010, 12:01 AM   #18
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The .327 is what the 32 H&R should have been. It's a cartridge suitable for SD (almost double the energy of the .38+P) that has easily controllable recoil in a lightweight carry revolver and gives an extra shot vs. a 38 special. If I were going to buy a new pocket snubby I'd go for the .327. Yes the ballistics are similar to other rounds but there is not another .32 round with the same ballistics in a cartridge suitable for a revolver.

Moon clips work great with short cartridges like the 9mm and .45 acp because the clip is ridged enough to hold the bullet ends from leaning into the center. Once you go to longer cartridges the moon clips stop being quite so hot. Speedloaders hold more of the cartridge so they are better at keeping the bullet tips apart for fast loading. Moon clips are still ok and some swear by them but if they were really great for 38 and 357 length cartridges don't you think every revolver maker would send their guns from the factory ready for them? Wouldn't they have done so for the 100 years that DA revolvers dominated in LE firearms? In a revolver setup to take rimmed cartridges in moon clips you can also use it without the clips so nothing would be lost by making them able to use moon clips. It's just a matter of shaving a bit off the cylinder, which could just be done when that part is initially cut so there would be no additional cost to produce them. They don't bother for a reason.

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Old December 24, 2010, 12:03 AM   #19
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I want one.
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Old December 24, 2010, 10:34 AM   #20
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What others have said. Low-to-midling .357 performance with less "sturm und drang" in a similar format that shoots an extra round (in J Frame and GP100 type platforms) or two (in the Blackhawk). Btw, low-to-midling .357 performance does it quite nicely in most SD situations. My Single Six .32 H&R Mags will be eventually converted to .327. They are great as is, but the extra oomph will make them even more-perfect small game getters and trail companions....And I want one of the new Ruger SP101s or non-ported Smith Js in the Fed Mag real bad!
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Old December 24, 2010, 01:13 PM   #21
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How many here actually reload the 7.62x25 anyway? Or the .32-20?
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Old December 24, 2010, 01:22 PM   #22
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I love how the ballistics comparisons of the .327 always get stuck with the SP101's 3" barrel.

Don't forget that the 4" GP100 and the 5.5" Blackhawk greatly improve the performance of the cartridge.
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Old December 24, 2010, 01:24 PM   #23
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I don't know anyone who reloads for the 7.62x25. I do know plenty of folks who reload the 32-20.
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Old January 11, 2011, 09:48 PM   #24
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327 Ballistics

average velocity 1400fps average Muzzle energy Ft/lbs 485


i've seen some loads as slow as 1300 fps and some as high as 1580.....but the beauty of this is that these stats are all from a SHORT barreled revolver....a six inch revolve averages about another 200fps on top of that and a carbine can almost attain 2000fps in a standard store bought ammo.

After shooting my Taurus `327 i realized that this round is a high performance one for sure, it barks alot and the recoil is bit painful without the hogue grip i put on....I'm sure the 4inch plus barreled pistols with full size grips must be much more comfortable shooters

But alas while this round may blow away a 38 or 9mm for performance it is not a 45acp or a 44mag
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Old January 12, 2011, 12:52 AM   #25
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I have two big questions about the .327

1. Can you find full metal jacket bullets both for reloading and OTC sale?
2. If you load the .327 with 85 grain FMJ bullets, will it punch through Level II body armor like the 7.62 Tokarev will?

If the .327 will defeat body armor like the Tokarev will I see a few advantages to the .327 over the Tokarev most of them reloading related (Cough, no berdan primed ammo, cough)
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