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Old January 5, 2011, 08:16 PM   #1
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ruger or remington

i am pretty new to the rifle world. i am thinking of buying me a new rifle but now sure what to get. i was thinkin of get the remington model 700 xhr but now considering of getting to the ruger m77 hawkeye. nething under a grand would be great. i want a good dependable gun thanks
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Old January 5, 2011, 08:35 PM   #2
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I love the new Ruger's & would much rather have a 77 Hawkeye than a Rem. 700. Also look at the Winchester Featherweight & the Browning X-Bolt.
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Old January 5, 2011, 08:40 PM   #3
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I'm a Ruger guy, but there's tons of good choices out there. Winchester 70, CZ 550, Tikka, Savage, Howa. Take your time before you spend that dime.
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Old January 5, 2011, 08:51 PM   #4
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I have a Remington 700 CDL as well as a Ruger 77 Mk II.

I feel the Ruger is better made from higher quality parts, has a more desirable action (controlled vs push feed) and a superior trigger system. There is nothing wrong with the Remington and it shoots fine for me, however I find the Ruger to be a notch above.
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Old January 5, 2011, 08:51 PM   #5
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Ruger

I own the M77 Hawkeye in a left handed bolt. It is chambered in .270 win and is the best rifle I own. It was the easiest gun I have ever shot in and is now a tack driver.

I do not have expirence with the Rem 700 but I have heard of quality issues from other users here. I have never talked to anyone who has had a negitive Ruger M77 expirence.

PM me if you want more info

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Old January 5, 2011, 11:08 PM   #6
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Either I'm too drunk, or these two are insane. Ruger is fine, but the Remington 700 will not be beat.
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Old January 5, 2011, 11:16 PM   #7
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you must be drunk

Not saying I am perfectly mentally stable either lol. Truth be told and I believe I stated this already I have never even handled a Rem 700 however I have heard of quality issues on this site.

I am not talking about the NBC Bs more along the line of you never know what you will get from Rem these days etc.

I only spoke up to stand on behalf of my Ruger that serves me extreemly well. If the rem works for you than great.

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Old January 5, 2011, 11:19 PM   #8
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Remington 700 for a few reasons out of the box accuracy that's hard to beat, more after market a options than any other bolt action rifle (including triggers), did I mention accuracy........
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Old January 5, 2011, 11:34 PM   #9
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Ruger or if other Winchester 70
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Old January 5, 2011, 11:36 PM   #10
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Palmetto, I doubt someone new to the centerfire rifle world will know the difference between a timney or a jewel trigger. Or even a nicely diamond honed factory trigger setup for that matter. I have no trouble with my rugers in the accuracy department whatsoever and would put them up against any comparably priced remington. Is it about how much extra $ you can spend to bolt new stuff on the gun like a mall ninja'd AR-15 or is it about having fun while improving fundamentals? I'd say the latter...in which either brand will do just fine. I'm simply making the point that learning your rifle & how to use it, regardless of brand, is much more important than how much extra stuff you can buy for it.
With all this said, my vote is on ruger. They've never given me a reason to differ.
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Old January 6, 2011, 12:41 AM   #11
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I'd say weatherby, but I have howa and remington rifles. howa makes the weatherby vanguard series and I-bolt series for smith and wesson so unless you are brand snob go with howa. I can't think of a major brand that you could really go wrong with though.
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Old January 6, 2011, 12:57 AM   #12
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Ruger for obvious reasons...

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Old January 6, 2011, 02:23 AM   #13
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ruger makes a fine gun. i have a couple of them, but for a bolt action rifle remington is hands down the better of the two. there is no limit to what you can do to upgrade the rifle for accuracy and looks. i have never seen a remington that wouldnt shoot nice groups. cant say that about the ruger. my brother bought a remington 770 in .270 for christmas, came with a bushnell scope. i shot it the other day and shot a 3 shot group well under an inch. this is a 250 dollar rifle. the stock was crappy. the bolt was hard to work, but man this thing will flat out shoot. not knocking ruger but remington has them beat.
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Old January 6, 2011, 09:14 AM   #14
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5 or 10 years ago I'd have said Remington. Since the Hawkeye and new trigger the Ruger is a much better rifle, for much less money considering it comes with scope mounts.
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Old January 6, 2011, 09:22 AM   #15
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My Remington beats my Ruger

I own both a Ruger 77 and a Remington 700,both are .223 Remingtons. They are both fine rifles but the Remington does group tighter than the Ruger with the same loads. Of course the Ruger might shoot better with another load. The best shooting .223 I own is a CZ. It is a fine rifle that might be considered as well.
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Old January 6, 2011, 12:09 PM   #16
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Both are good rifles, but IMHO, Remingtons are better shooters. I really like the ergonomics of Remingtons; they seem to fit me well and direct recoil better than most others. Winchesters are also good.

I don't like the Ruger receiver angled-screw bedding system and actions seem too flexible and don't have adequate recoil plates. Some Rugers shoot, but the Remington 700 is the better action for serious shooters. I've never seen a Ruger 77 used in benchrest competition, for example, but have read of pretty good groups with the newer heavy-barrelled 77s.

You should also look at TC Icon and Venture. They seem to be very consistent. I'm not crazy about removable magazines, but Tikkas and Sakos are accurate shooters.
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Old January 6, 2011, 12:23 PM   #17
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No offense with Remington & Ruger - but if you are looking for pure accuracy, and the best factory triggers on the planet...

Get a Savage. If you want a nice "pretty" rifle, you can get one of the model 14 Classic series. Regardless, any rifle you pick will be a shooter. The Savage barrel locknut system is far superior to anything put out by Remington or Ruger, as they are press-fitted.
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Old January 6, 2011, 12:41 PM   #18
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DEFINITELY Remington over Ruger... MUCH Rather be in the Remington family (which now includes Bushmaster and DPMS Panther I believe?)

I am sort of anti Ruger, a little too popular for me, toooo much fanboy antics especially on the net, I noticed that right away when I started my firearms purchasing.

Savage is great too, I have a Savage Mark II GXP and am considering a Savage 10 or 110 GXP to match it, just in .308. But the Remington 700 is and has been the basis of both the Marine Corps and Army sniper rifles for over 40 years, that fact alone is good enough for me.
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Old January 6, 2011, 01:12 PM   #19
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I've had Ruger Model 77s since the early seventies and they've never disappointed. I currently own four of them (two earlier models and two MKIIs) and each will shoot under 2" @ 100 yards with factory ammunition; one of them (chambered in 7X64 Brenneke) is a for real sub-MOA rifle. I like the built-in mount and free rings. My only complaint is that, from the factory, the trigger pulls are on the heavy side.
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Old January 6, 2011, 01:21 PM   #20
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I'd vote for the Ruger. I have usually preferred the products they put out over those of Remington. In the case here, I'd prefer the Ruger because it is a Mauser-style controlled-feed action.

As far as the comment about Ruger being too popular and having too many fanboys - seriously? And Remington doesn't have the exact same type of following? How is the fact that lots of people like a certain brand an issue here?
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Old January 6, 2011, 01:52 PM   #21
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If you want dependable rugged and indestructable with plenty of accuracy for hunting, go Ruger. If target grade accuracy is more important to you buy the Remngton and change out everything but the action and build a target gun.

For $100 more than the Ruger and $100 less than Remington, I'd buy Winchester and have both in the same gun.
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Old January 6, 2011, 02:02 PM   #22
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I have owned both a Remington 700 (LTR) and a couple of Ruger m77's. I prefer the Rugers. They are really well made, durable and accurate. The Remington 700 was really nice too, but I eventually sold it.

I'm only a so-so rifle shot, but the first time that I had my current M77 Hawkeye at the 100 yard range I shot a few 1" 3-shot groups (with the best being 0.98") using Remington and Winchester 150gr ammo (from wal mart) and a Leupold 10x variable power scope.

Either brand should serve you well, but I have a preference for the Rugers. I like their controlled feed action and I prefer their 3-position safety over the safety of the M700.



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Old January 6, 2011, 02:23 PM   #23
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Been very happy with both of my M77's. One in .223 and the other in 30-06Spr. They will both shoot around 1"-1.5" consistently(with cheap ammo). Don't have any experience with the Remmys, but you will probably do well with either. At that price range there are several good quality brands to choose from. I do like the fact that Ruger packages the rings with the guns so you know you are getting the correct mount.
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Old January 6, 2011, 05:07 PM   #24
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Not sure about most of you guys, but the primary function in a rifle to me is to deliver a bullet as close to the POA as possible and I would bet hands down that a out of the box Remington will beat a out of the box Ruger any day of the week............
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Old January 6, 2011, 05:24 PM   #25
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Palmetto,

I've got a ruger or two that might give you a complex
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