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Old January 5, 2011, 03:38 PM   #1
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Ruger: 22/45 or Mark III

I recently moved to a free state and am in the market for a new gun. I have shot with my father many times in the past (shotguns and semi-auto) but have never owned my own gun. After much research (and browsing through these forums) it's become plain to me that a Ruger will be my best bet because I am interested in a 22lr that is cheap to shoot and plink around with.

The CZ 75 Kadet looks nice but would really set me back, lots of $$$. Sig Mosquito is out because I'm seeing some not good reviews, as is the Walther P22 (I've seen youtube videos of the thing falling apart when you shoot it).

Anyway, it appears that for the price, you can't beat the Ruger's reliability and durability even though it doesn't have the look of something I like (I don't like the slim design or the weird slide). But hey, function over fashion, right? Ok, so I see a lot of folks singing the praises of the Mark II. But if you're buying new, you have to get the Mark III, right? Any drawbacks on the newer model? I am leaning more toward the 22/45 because the Mark III has a weird angle to it. But I'm not seeing as much praise for the 22/45.

Thoughts? Which way should I go? Thanks in advance!
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Old January 5, 2011, 03:40 PM   #2
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I prefer the MKIII grip angle, but you need to handle both to figure out what YOU like. Both are great guns.
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Old January 5, 2011, 03:42 PM   #3
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I shot a Mark III Hunter with a red dot a cupple weeks back and the range and fell in love. We has tennis balls set up at about 75 yards and benched every shot hit free hand 2/3 no problem. Shooting a target at 50 yards was sub MOA not even trying. I will be picking myself up a Ruger Mark II or III soon as I find the one I want.

My vote is for the Mark II or III
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Old January 5, 2011, 03:44 PM   #4
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I have 2 Rugers an old RST and a newer Mark II. Love them both. I always wanted a .22/45, but never got one. Have you looked at Browning? Their .22s are as nice as Rugers, some would argue nicer. Not me, of course, but I do think they're quite good, and they may have the grip you're yearning for.
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Old January 5, 2011, 03:46 PM   #5
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you are right. p22 sucks. never buy one. my buddy had one and it jammed constantly!

mark III! my vote.....
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Old January 5, 2011, 03:51 PM   #6
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22/45...ftw
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Old January 5, 2011, 04:00 PM   #7
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These are probably the five most popular .22 pistols,,,

In no particular order:

Browning Buckmark = Great pistol but I found the grip to be funky.
Ruger 22/45 Mk II or MK III = Great pistol with a 1911-ish grip
Ruger Mk II or MK III = Great pistol with a luger-ish grip.
Beretta NEOS = Great pistol with a very slender grip.
S&W 22A = Great pistol with a very fat grip.

Any of these will serve you very well,,,
They are all reliable firearms that aren't ammo picky.

I have been told that the firing mechanism of a Ruger Mk pistol,,,
Is virtually identical to the mechanism of the Ruger 22/45,,,
The only difference being the grip angle and size.

The determiner is which one fits your hand,,,
And which one makes your eyes light up.

Now having said that,,,
I am the proud owner of,,,
A Ruger 22/45,,,
A Beretta NEOS,,,
And a CZ-75B Kadet,,,

The Kadet is my favorite,,,
It is one sweet shooting .22 pistol,,,
Perfect companion to my CZ-75B in 9mm.



You are correct though,,,
That Kadet is one pricey gun,,,
But in my not-so-humble opinion,,,
It was worth every penny I spent for it.

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Old January 5, 2011, 04:02 PM   #8
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Welcome to The Firing Line, Scarlet.

Regarding the MKIII or 22/45 . . . go with the one that feels better in your hand. I don't think you can go wrong with either.
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Old January 5, 2011, 04:07 PM   #9
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Thank you for all of the responses! I didn't look at S&W because I thought they would be pricey, but the 22A seems very reasonable. Thanks for the heads up, I'll look into it
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Old January 5, 2011, 04:21 PM   #10
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About the 22A,,,

I didn't own a semi-auto pistol when I took my CCW class,,,
So I rented a 22A from the range to qualify with.

it was a very nice shooting pistol,,,
At the 7, 10, & 15 yard distances we shot at,,,
I was able to keep all of the shots in the center ring of a silhouette target.

The only thing I didn't like was the very fat (to me) grip,,,
I have smallish hands for my height,,,
Not carnival worker small,,,
Just not big hands.

But as far as pure performance of the gun went,,,
The 22A ate 150 rounds of cheap ammo,,,
Without a hiccup of any kind.

You could do worse,,,
Like a Walther P-22,,,
Or a Sig Sauer Mosquito.

I know several people who own those pistols,,,
Not one of them is very happy with them.

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Old January 5, 2011, 05:17 PM   #11
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I like the 22/45. Mine is set up for steel shooting.
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Old January 5, 2011, 05:21 PM   #12
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Japle, how many rounds can you run before the screw in the top of that compensator breaks off?

I had one just for the better front sight. It needed the broken screw removed by a machinist and a new one installed about every 3,000 rounds.
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Old January 5, 2011, 05:46 PM   #13
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I like the 22/45 because the grip angle and controls are very similar to my 1911. I tend to like [and shoot] pistols with this grip angle better than the Mark II/Mark III with it's Luger angle. Glocks also feel 'wrong' to me due to grip angle.

If you don't shoot, think about your future gun purchases. Do you plan on a 1911? If so, the 22/45 will help you get some of the controls down in muscle memory, and the angle is similar.

What about those with 1911-esque shapes, a la HK USP? Same as above.

Try both in your hands and pick the one that you feel you can bring onto target best and hold on target best.

For ME that was the 22/45.

As far a performance, I believe the only significant difference between the two is the grip angle.

Buckmarks have a good rep. Try the Rimfire Central forum for more rimfire-specific info!
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Old January 5, 2011, 09:29 PM   #14
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I think in the end, I will end up with two guns. A 22lr (trying to decide now between the Ruger 22/45 and the S&W 22a) for target shooting and a .357 Mag. revolver for carry and home defense.

So many great responses
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Old January 5, 2011, 09:32 PM   #15
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Yeah, definitely handle them both. I was able to do so at an outdoor show.

My hands are small. The sharp grip angle of the MKIII felt quite wonderful to me, whereas the 22/45 was awful and felt like aiming a pack of cards. Your mileage may vary.
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Old January 5, 2011, 10:07 PM   #16
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Thoughts.....

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I think in the end, I will end up with two guns.
Why stop there? Celebrate diversity!

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trying to decide now between the Ruger 22/45 and the S&W 22a
My kids hated the .22a ..... spit unburned powder out of the breech at the them......

I have the a stainless heavy barreled 22/45 (Mark III)...... the only things I don't like about it are the magazine disconnect, which makes re-assembly a PITA, and the dirt collecting loaded chamber indicator...... on the bright side, once you have re-assembly down pat, you can amaze the uninitiated! The .22/45 makes for great trainer for a 1911!

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A 22lr ......... for target shooting and a .357 Mag. revolver for carry and home defense.
If you are going to get a .357 for carry and home defense, I would recommend getting a .22 revolver in the same make and model, if possible, to better master that DA* trigger pull.

*DA means either "double action" or "durned awful" depending upon whether you learned to shoot with a single action or somthing crappier.
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Old January 6, 2011, 08:18 PM   #17
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Japle, how many rounds can you run before the screw in the top of that compensator breaks off?

I had one just for the better front sight. It needed the broken screw removed by a machinist and a new one installed about every 3,000 rounds.
I've got over 4500 rounds through it with no problems. Why would that screw break?
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Old January 6, 2011, 09:06 PM   #18
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The 22/45 has a much better grip angle, unfortunately for my hands it feels like your holding a rectangular leggo. It was just too square for my liking and I love 1911s. I strongly recommend you hold them both before ordering.
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Old January 6, 2011, 09:14 PM   #19
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Farmer Dave.....

You might try this 22/45.......

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P512MKIIIRP 10140 Alloy Steel Blued Checkered Cocobolo 5.50" 9.50" 33.00 oz. $380.00
Its got wood panels on the side.....
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Old January 6, 2011, 09:14 PM   #20
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Japle, what wrap around grip you got on your Ruger?
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Old January 7, 2011, 07:57 PM   #21
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Japle, what wrap around grip you got on your Ruger?
It's a Hogue. It was OK, but ugly. Now the gun looks like this:

I don't recall who made the grips, but they're great. Check the video at

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRkiSlXdrKM
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Old January 7, 2011, 09:19 PM   #22
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Thanks jimbob86, I'll check it out.
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