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Old December 28, 2010, 08:21 AM   #26
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Lee-Enfield RIC carbine - ~10,000 made, sell for over $1,500

Lee-Enfield Irish contract rifles - ~40,000 - 70,000 made, sell for $400 - $600


Although the carbines are pretty neat, I would rather have one of the contract rifles. They were made for Ireland, but never delivered for, ahhh, political reasons. Think it would be kinda neat for one of them to find their way into Irish hands finally.
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Old December 28, 2010, 09:23 AM   #27
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BTW, mine has a No. 5 trigger guard, which I thought interesting.
A No5 jungle carbine trigger guard does not fit the No4 MkII, unless the trigger mount has been milled off. The trigger guard on the MkII's can be either "straight" or "wasp waist" front tangs. Very similar in appearance right down the the narrow (0.48) trigger ring.


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Although the carbines are pretty neat, I would rather have one of the contract rifles. They were made for Ireland, but never delivered for, ahhh, political reasons. Think it would be kinda neat for one of them to find their way into Irish hands finally.
A small number of the Irish contract rifles saw service in the Irish national guard.

Only a small percentage of the IC's have been accounted for. I have one in the wrap, I have unwrapped one, and have two that have seen previous service.
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Old December 28, 2010, 11:16 PM   #28
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Hi, madcratebuilder,

Hmmm. I have one of the waist type and that is the same type of cut used on the No. 5 (to reduce weight). Now I guess I will have to unwrap it to find out if they used the same tooling to make the trigger guard for the No. 4 Mk II or if they modified No.5 guards. I will have a big mess, no matter what.

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Old December 29, 2010, 12:48 AM   #29
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I don't mind unobtrusive import marks. I buy inexpensive guns and of course I hope their value increases, but I'm not expecting a $300 C&R purchase to make me rich. What I do hate are large importers stamps, some of which are so big they deface the guns they're on.
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Old December 29, 2010, 05:54 AM   #30
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Lee-Enfield RIC carbine - ~10,000 made, sell for over $1,500
$1500??? Where have you been looking. I have seen at least three in the last year that were about $700-800 on Gunbroker.
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Old December 29, 2010, 05:58 AM   #31
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What I do hate are large importers stamps, some of which are so big they deface the guns they're on.
I believe that BATF has mandated new standards for the size, location and info contained in the import marks. But then they once decided that a shoelace was a machine gun...
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Old December 29, 2010, 08:40 AM   #32
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I didn't search GunBroker. I've honestly never been on the site. I just did a google search using the terms "Lee-enfield RIC carbine" and the stores that were selling them ranged from $1000 to $1600
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Old December 29, 2010, 08:42 AM   #33
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jeez and I thought gunbroker was overpriced
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Old December 29, 2010, 09:05 AM   #34
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OOOOOPPPS

Those were the results for the Webley RIC revolver.
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Old January 1, 2011, 02:36 AM   #35
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As stated above by several, anything imported after the GCA of 1968 will have import marks. It is part of the process of collecting for most of us.
All my Soviet/Finnish/Czech/Romanian Mosins have import marks.
As for my Enfields:
1917 LSA No.1 Mk.III (no *) - no
1946 Fazakerly No.5 Mk.I - no (but does have British marks showing that it was sold out of service)
1945 longbranch No.4 Mk.I* - yes
My Spanish and Chilean Mauser variations - yes.
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Old January 1, 2011, 10:02 AM   #36
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Hi, madcratebuilder,

Hmmm. I have one of the waist type and that is the same type of cut used on the No. 5 (to reduce weight). Now I guess I will have to unwrap it to find out if they used the same tooling to make the trigger guard for the No. 4 Mk II or if they modified No.5 guards. I will have a big mess, no matter what.
Happy New Year Jim.

All of the PF and UF series MkII's I have seen that were unmolested have the wasp-waist TG. It looks just like the TG from the JC's but the JC TG has the block to hang the trigger from. As I recall the block is welded (brazed) on after the TG is cut. Wouldn't surprise me to see Faz use the same equipment for making these.

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