Import Markings - Page 2

xMINORxTHREATx · December 28, 2010, 09:21 AM

Lee-Enfield RIC carbine - ~10,000 made, sell for over $1,500

Lee-Enfield Irish contract rifles - ~40,000 - 70,000 made, sell for $400 - $600

Although the carbines are pretty neat, I would rather have one of the contract rifles. They were made for Ireland, but never delivered for, ahhh, political reasons. Think it would be kinda neat for one of them to find their way into Irish hands finally.

madcratebuilder · December 28, 2010, 10:23 AM

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BTW, mine has a No. 5 trigger guard, which I thought interesting.

A No5 jungle carbine trigger guard does not fit the No4 MkII, unless the trigger mount has been milled off. The trigger guard on the MkII's can be either "straight" or "wasp waist" front tangs. Very similar in appearance right down the the narrow (0.48) trigger ring.

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Although the carbines are pretty neat, I would rather have one of the contract rifles. They were made for Ireland, but never delivered for, ahhh, political reasons. Think it would be kinda neat for one of them to find their way into Irish hands finally.

A small number of the Irish contract rifles saw service in the Irish national guard.

Only a small percentage of the IC's have been accounted for. I have one in the wrap, I have unwrapped one, and have two that have seen previous service.

**James K** · December 29, 2010, 12:16 AM

Hi, madcratebuilder,

Hmmm. I have one of the waist type and that is the same type of cut used on the No. 5 (to reduce weight). Now I guess I will have to unwrap it to find out if they used the same tooling to make the trigger guard for the No. 4 Mk II or if they modified No.5 guards. I will have a big mess, no matter what.

Jim

DG45 · December 29, 2010, 01:48 AM

I don't mind unobtrusive import marks. I buy inexpensive guns and of course I hope their value increases, but I'm not expecting a $300 C&R purchase to make me rich. What I do hate are large importers stamps, some of which are so big they deface the guns they're on.

gyvel · December 29, 2010, 06:54 AM

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Lee-Enfield RIC carbine - ~10,000 made, sell for over $1,500

$1500??? Where have you been looking. I have seen at least three in the last year that were about $700-800 on Gunbroker.

gyvel · December 29, 2010, 06:58 AM

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What I do hate are large importers stamps, some of which are so big they deface the guns they're on.

I believe that BATF has mandated new standards for the size, location and info contained in the import marks. But then they once decided that a shoelace was a machine gun...

xMINORxTHREATx · December 29, 2010, 09:40 AM

I didn't search GunBroker. I've honestly never been on the site. I just did a google search using the terms "Lee-enfield RIC carbine" and the stores that were selling them ranged from $1000 to $1600

Hawg Haggen · December 29, 2010, 09:42 AM

jeez and I thought gunbroker was overpriced

xMINORxTHREATx · December 29, 2010, 10:05 AM

OOOOOPPPS

Those were the results for the Webley RIC revolver.

finloq · January 1, 2011, 03:36 AM

As stated above by several, anything imported after the GCA of 1968 will have import marks. It is part of the process of collecting for most of us.
All my Soviet/Finnish/Czech/Romanian Mosins have import marks.
As for my Enfields:
1917 LSA No.1 Mk.III (no *) - no
1946 Fazakerly No.5 Mk.I - no (but does have British marks showing that it was sold out of service)
1945 longbranch No.4 Mk.I* - yes
My Spanish and Chilean Mauser variations - yes.

madcratebuilder · January 1, 2011, 11:02 AM

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Hi, madcratebuilder,

Hmmm. I have one of the waist type and that is the same type of cut used on the No. 5 (to reduce weight). Now I guess I will have to unwrap it to find out if they used the same tooling to make the trigger guard for the No. 4 Mk II or if they modified No.5 guards. I will have a big mess, no matter what.

Happy New Year Jim.

All of the PF and UF series MkII's I have seen that were unmolested have the wasp-waist TG. It looks just like the TG from the JC's but the JC TG has the block to hang the trigger from. As I recall the block is welded (brazed) on after the TG is cut. Wouldn't surprise me to see Faz use the same equipment for making these.

Irish PF series

December 28, 2010, 09:21 AM	#26
xMINORxTHREATx Senior Member Join Date: November 25, 2010 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio Posts: 286	Lee-Enfield RIC carbine - ~10,000 made, sell for over $1,500 Lee-Enfield Irish contract rifles - ~40,000 - 70,000 made, sell for $400 - $600 Although the carbines are pretty neat, I would rather have one of the contract rifles. They were made for Ireland, but never delivered for, ahhh, political reasons. Think it would be kinda neat for one of them to find their way into Irish hands finally. __________________ Glaine ár gcroí Neart ár ngéag Agus beart de réir ár mbriathar

December 29, 2010, 12:16 AM	#28
James K Staff Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 16,418	Hi, madcratebuilder, Hmmm. I have one of the waist type and that is the same type of cut used on the No. 5 (to reduce weight). Now I guess I will have to unwrap it to find out if they used the same tooling to make the trigger guard for the No. 4 Mk II or if they modified No.5 guards. I will have a big mess, no matter what. Jim __________________ Jim K

December 29, 2010, 09:40 AM	#32
xMINORxTHREATx Senior Member Join Date: November 25, 2010 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio Posts: 286	I didn't search GunBroker. I've honestly never been on the site. I just did a google search using the terms "Lee-enfield RIC carbine" and the stores that were selling them ranged from $1000 to $1600 __________________ Glaine ár gcroí Neart ár ngéag Agus beart de réir ár mbriathar

December 29, 2010, 09:42 AM	#33
Hawg Haggen Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 10,238	jeez and I thought gunbroker was overpriced __________________ http://blackpowdertimes.com/index.php

December 29, 2010, 10:05 AM	#34
xMINORxTHREATx Senior Member Join Date: November 25, 2010 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio Posts: 286	OOOOOPPPS Those were the results for the Webley RIC revolver. __________________ Glaine ár gcroí Neart ár ngéag Agus beart de réir ár mbriathar

December 29, 2010, 01:48 AM	#29
DG45 Senior Member Join Date: January 6, 2009 Posts: 904	I don't mind unobtrusive import marks. I buy inexpensive guns and of course I hope their value increases, but I'm not expecting a $300 C&R purchase to make me rich. What I do hate are large importers stamps, some of which are so big they deface the guns they're on.

January 1, 2011, 03:36 AM	#35
finloq Member Join Date: October 2, 2010 Posts: 29	As stated above by several, anything imported after the GCA of 1968 will have import marks. It is part of the process of collecting for most of us. All my Soviet/Finnish/Czech/Romanian Mosins have import marks. As for my Enfields: 1917 LSA No.1 Mk.III (no ) - no 1946 Fazakerly No.5 Mk.I - no (but does have British marks showing that it was sold out of service) 1945 longbranch No.4 Mk.I - yes My Spanish and Chilean Mauser variations - yes. __________________ "Self-realization. I was thinking of the immortal words of Socrates, who said, "... I drank what?"