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Old December 9, 2010, 07:49 AM   #1
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Can a .410 shotshell be fired in a 45-70 Gov't?

I was flipping through Cartridges of the World last night and noticed that the writer stated that a ".410 shotshell can be fired through any gun chambered in 45-70 Gov't."

I like to think of myself as pretty knowledgeable about firearms but had never heard or read that any where until last night. While I suppose it's possible to shoot a .410 in a 45-70, is this common knowledge that I just missed in my 40+ years or is this news to everyone else too?
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Old December 9, 2010, 10:27 AM   #2
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NO it can't

45LC can sometimes fire the .410 like in the tarus judge.

A 45-70 uses bullets .458" in diameter. Its been a while since I had math class but .410 doesn't equal .458"....
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Old December 9, 2010, 10:41 AM   #3
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Quick google search...

... shows that it can be done, but that the .45-70 extractor does not seem to catch the .410, and the shell may have to be pried out. Overall consensus: it can be done, but probably is not worth doing.

http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=98198

http://shootersforum.com/showthread.htm?t=9490
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Old December 9, 2010, 01:34 PM   #4
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... shows that it can be done, but that the .45-70 extractor does not seem to catch the .410, and the shell may have to be pried out. Overall consensus: it can be done, but probably is not worth doing.
Good links. I was kinda shocked to see that it could be done but that really leads to why in the hell would you want too? Shooting shot out of a rifle can't be good for the rifling.
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Old December 9, 2010, 01:44 PM   #5
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Friend of mine in the past has made some brass cased .410 shells using .45-70 and .45-90 cases.
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Old December 9, 2010, 01:48 PM   #6
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T/C makes a barrel also chambered for both.

Makes a good snake gun a close range.

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Old December 9, 2010, 02:55 PM   #7
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I know a guy who had a ton of corrosive 308 ammo on hand. So he found some 'secret tips' on the webbernets regarding firing 308 in a mosin then using a broken shell extractor to get the casing out. He claims to have done this two dozen times to try it out. I guess the moral is some things can be done but why chance it?
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Old December 9, 2010, 04:32 PM   #8
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Don't know about the feasibility of shooting a 410 out of a 45-70 but there was a thread a while back on a different forum that discussed shooting shot from a rifled barrel. The example was a 12 ga shotgun with a slug barrel. The concensus was, while you could do it without damage to the barrel or rifling, the shot string will be influenced by the barrel twist (rifling) and greatly open up the pattern of the shot. Not deemed a desirable thing to do.
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Old December 10, 2010, 01:46 PM   #9
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T/C makes a barrel also chambered for both.
Interesting concept. I could see where a barrel chambered for both rounds would attact a few buyers.
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Old December 10, 2010, 07:49 PM   #10
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45 in a 410...

Snake-charmer does it all day long...45 slug penetrates 7, 3/4" pieces of plywood.
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Old December 10, 2010, 08:40 PM   #11
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My grandfather had an old Trapdoor that he shot .410s out of for rabbits, squirrels, and for bird hunting....used the .45-70's for everything else. I ended up with the rifle, bore looks a bit worn, but shoots just fine.
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Old December 10, 2010, 09:03 PM   #12
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I have never seen or heard of a TC barrel chambered for both 45-70 and .410. TC does make a barrel chambered for .45 Colt and .410.
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Old December 10, 2010, 09:12 PM   #13
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I've fired them in both a Marlin 95 and Browning 1886. They fired fine, but don't always extract well. The case is a bit small and it swells offset. If the offset is on the extractor side, it doesnt grab the rim very well. As mentioned the patterns open up pretty fast, and leave a big hole in the middle of the pattern. You could sort of get used to that I guess, even tho the useable range is very limited, but I find very light loads with round balls to be more usefull for small game and grouse hunting. I'm not fond of having birdshot in my meat anyway.

Not sure how or why lead shot fired though a rifled barrel would or could hurt it. Not to mention the shot is in a plastic shot cup. The plastic is probably more of a problem than the shot could be. The plastic fouling would probaby foul the bore and affect accuracy of regular loads more than lead fouling from shot.
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Old December 11, 2010, 12:33 AM   #14
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I have shot 410's x 2.5 inch in a 45/70 TC Contender. It's doable, but you usually have to dig the fired shell out with a knife point, but will definately work in a pinch. When I was a kid, an old gunsmith told me that shooting
410's in the old trapdoors was a common enough practice, years ago.
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Old December 11, 2010, 02:37 AM   #15
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I've heard from many that during the depression, when there were a lot of old trapdoors lying around, and little use for a .45/70 most of the year, it was very common to use .410 shells in them to collect small game. I've never wanted to try it with my 1878 vintage trapdoor.

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Old December 11, 2010, 04:03 PM   #16
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I have never seen or heard of a TC barrel chambered for both 45-70 and .410. TC does make a barrel chambered for .45 Colt and .410.
My BAD. it is a .45LC and .410. I should of reread the OP.


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