The Firing Line Forums

Go Back   The Firing Line Forums > The Hide > The Dave McCracken Memorial Shotgun Forum

Thread Tools
Old December 17, 2010, 11:51 AM   #126
Dave McC
Staff In Memoriam
Join Date: October 13, 1999
Location: Columbia, Md, USA
Posts: 8,812
Sure,Roach. Try it, see how things go,just to know. You want to know what your gun is capable of in your hands and that's a good thing....
Dave McC is offline  
Old December 18, 2010, 08:59 PM   #127
Junior member
Join Date: June 23, 2009
Location: Orange County, CA
Posts: 2,149
Clayman; I am anyathing but an expert on weapons, combat, or law enforcement, but I learned a little something in the Marines and while there are plenty of exeptions to any rule, I can't that "The best defence is an offence."

Also, you missed the part about a "good" offense being the best defense. Moreover, mu understanding is it is a lot more difficult to attack a position than to defend one.

My feeling is simple, and this should not be confused with an officer or soldiers task of clearing a building.

While the better military plans rely on intelligence, I wouldn't expect to have much if any on an uninvited guest. Is he alone, armed, on drugs and if so are they a type that will make him difficult to stop short of overwhelming force. Is his intent to rob or assault my family? For that matter, is it someone that knows the layout of my home and how to best assault it. For that matter it could be my son's Marine Corp buddie back from Afganistan with a buzz on who has simply wandered into my home in the middle of the night with no evil intent.

That is why my plan is to take up a defensive position from which to await LOE, in the case of an intruder.
TheKlawMan is offline  
Old December 18, 2010, 10:56 PM   #128
Senior Member
Join Date: November 14, 2010
Location: Northern Virginia
Posts: 1,788
+1 TheKlawMan

That is why my plan is to take up a defensive position from which to await LOE, in the case of an intruder.
Chief stall mucker and grain chef

Country don't mean dumb.
Steven King. The Stand
egor20 is offline  
Old December 19, 2010, 09:01 PM   #129
Senior Member
Join Date: November 6, 2008
Location: Minnesota
Posts: 195

Mossberg 500 "Watchdog" w/ TacStar pistol grip and 00 Buck...
"shall not be infringed"
Black_Sheep is offline  
Old December 20, 2010, 12:38 AM   #130
Join Date: September 6, 2010
Location: Clayton, CA
Posts: 36
870 12 gauge Express with a 20 inch Improved Cylinder Deer Sighted barrel.

Blackhawk shotgun sling that doubles as a bandolieer, 5 rounds of Winchester Military-grade 00 buck, five rounds of federal 00 buck, and 5 rounds of Winchester PDX-1, Cabela's Shotgun sleeve with five Federal three inch slugs.

Loaded with 4 Remington three-inch 00 buck in the tube. Chamber's clear and locked closed with the safety on, so a potential thief has to know how to work an 870 to cycle the action.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg 1006002113.jpg (25.8 KB, 75 views)
Point of aim, point of impact.
cdutton is offline  
Old December 20, 2010, 01:42 AM   #131
Quick Karl
Junior member
Join Date: June 10, 2008
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
Posts: 36
Benelli M1 Super 90 12ga 00Buck

Nuff said.
Quick Karl is offline  
Old December 20, 2010, 09:08 AM   #132
Join Date: November 23, 2009
Posts: 54
870 tactical magnum 7+1, 20" cyl, 12ga w/side saddle, low recoil slugs and #4 buck.
wideglider03 is offline  
Old December 21, 2010, 01:42 AM   #133
Johnny Falcon
Join Date: August 18, 2010
Location: Maine
Posts: 57
Ithaca SxS 16ga
Johnny Falcon is offline  
Old December 21, 2010, 02:11 AM   #134
Crazy Carl
Senior Member
Join Date: December 5, 2009
Location: Alamance Co., NC
Posts: 223
M590A1, 20"er. Didn't like the synthetic furniture (which the gun beat me up with) & snagged one of Havlin's last sets of the old style 500 wood sets. Promptly cut 1.5" off the stock & put on a Limbsaver & it couldn't fit or shoot better.

Stays stoked with Federal 00 "LE" with the Flite-control wads.
Crazy Carl is offline  
Old December 21, 2010, 09:39 AM   #135
Senior Member
Join Date: November 25, 2010
Location: Cincinnati, Ohio
Posts: 286
I normally don't like wood furniture unless its on newer shotguns, but WOW.

Crazy Carl, that is one pretty gun. Never seen, and probably never will see another wood stocked M590.
Glaine ár gcroí
Neart ár ngéag
Agus beart de réir ár mbriathar
xMINORxTHREATx is offline  
Old December 21, 2010, 05:36 PM   #136
Senior Member
Join Date: November 18, 2010
Posts: 595
Nothing fancy for me, just a Mossberg 500 with 00 buckshot.
Good equipment will never be a substitute for good training.
Achilles11B is offline  
Old December 21, 2010, 10:16 PM   #137
Senior Member
Join Date: June 8, 2010
Location: Savannah, Ga.
Posts: 638
Originally Posted by Spacecoast:
Personally, I'd much rather have a 12 gauge/00. If I was convinced, as you are that I needed a handgun for primary defense I'd choose .45 ACP, but if I was constrained to using a Judge it would be loaded with .45 Colt.
I own a Judge Ultra-Lite. I agree that the 45LC rounds are the prefered ammo for this gun in SD situations. I use Hornady 225 grain FTX jhp ammo. I also will alternate some Federal 000 buckshot when I think I'm going to carry it in the car since the buckshot is powerful enough to stop a car jacking & not travel past the threat as far as the 45lc would. 45LC alternated with 000 buckshot is an effective SD setup. (Birdshot would not be effective in my opinion unless it was a shot to the face from point blank range.) Yes I would rather have my 12 gauge or my Glock 21, but the Taurus Judge isn't the toy that some seem to think it is with the right ammo.
Soldiers are dying every day to protect our freedoms. The least we can do is vote.

Last edited by ET.; December 22, 2010 at 08:53 AM.
ET. is offline  
Old December 26, 2010, 05:45 PM   #138
Join Date: February 24, 2010
Location: North Georgia
Posts: 26
NEF Pardner Protector
"Leave the gun. Take the cannoli" Clemenza
bagman is offline  
Old December 26, 2010, 06:08 PM   #139
Senior Member
Join Date: November 26, 2007
Location: North Carolina
Posts: 274
I've got two:

-- Mossberg 500 12 ga w/20-inch barrel, w/compensated muzzle brake
-- Maverick 88 12 ga w/18.5-inch barrel, stock

Both are 5+1.

That said, I don't usually keep them "at the ready", but in the gun safe. My nightstand HD gun is whatever I carried that day, usually a CZ 75D PCR 9mm (14+1) or a CZ75BD 9mm (16+1).
Jay1958 is offline  
Old December 26, 2010, 06:44 PM   #140
Senior Member
Join Date: September 21, 2010
Location: az
Posts: 1,060
Well I have a Remington 870 Express, and I bought a cheap barrel and cut it down to 18.5" and put a Hi-Viz sight on it. During August thru march though I keep the 28" barrel on it because that's the barrel I hunt with. I keep #4 buck in it regardless of what barrel is on there though.
"Once you quit hearing sir and ma'am, the rest is soon to follow." - Cormack McCarthy
"Feed me, or feed me to something. I just want to be part of the food chain." -Al Bundy
huntinaz is offline  
Old December 26, 2010, 08:18 PM   #141
Senior Member
Join Date: April 25, 2005
Location: Olympia, WA
Posts: 250
Her Side: Remington® SPR220 20ga SxS w/Remington® 2¾" #3 Buckshot.
My Side: Ithaca 16ga SxS w/Federal® 2¾" #1 Buckshot.
Last ditch gun: Mossberg® 500C 20ga w/Federal® 3" #2 Buckshot.
Only two defining forces have ever died for you:
1. Jesus Christ.
2. The American Soldier, Sailor, Airman, & Marine.
One died for your soul, the other for your freedom.
badge851 is offline  
Old December 26, 2010, 10:03 PM   #142
Join Date: December 3, 2010
Posts: 15
Hi Klaw...

Check this out. They would both be dead, if he took a defensive position. Things can be situational, but you have to be ready to ACT, not REACT.
clayman is offline  
Old December 27, 2010, 08:36 AM   #143
Junior member
Join Date: July 15, 2009
Location: East of the Missississippippi
Posts: 675

I did this "project gun." Mossberg 500 w/handguard-covered 18" Open Cylinder barrel, folding stock/pistol grip, wraparound forearm, shell holder, red light... I much prefer a much simpler setup but this fit a particular niche with a light load of #4 buckshot and is what I have loaded at home (with a snap-cap in the chamber).
Attached Images
File Type: jpg Shotgun 500, Tactical, Dark, Compressed.JPG (208.7 KB, 69 views)

Last edited by Gehrhard; December 27, 2010 at 08:46 AM.
Gehrhard is offline  
Old December 29, 2010, 09:25 PM   #144
Junior Member
Join Date: September 21, 2009
Posts: 2
believe it or not these cats are the most viscous little monsters i have ever seen. They could probably strip a steer right down to the bone in under a min or at-least trip up anyone walking in.

I do not have any pictures of mine but i do have this one i bought my mother. Let's just say no one comes in late when the family gets together for the holidays.

Havokk is offline  
Old December 29, 2010, 11:11 PM   #145
Junior member
Join Date: June 23, 2009
Location: Orange County, CA
Posts: 2,149
Clayman, I looked at that video and wonder what a professional LEO would think, becasue to me it appears that the guy was very lucky that he got away with charging the gunman. I suspect the odds were much better had they let the gun man take the money and leave.
TheKlawMan is offline  
Old December 30, 2010, 07:46 PM   #146
Join Date: December 3, 2010
Posts: 15
Hi Klawman,

All I'm saying is that each case is different
If he hadn't rushed him, they would both be dead. The bad guy wasn't there for the money.

Police: Tanning Salon Robber Definitely the 'Honeybee Killer'
Updated: Thursday, 16 Dec 2010, 10:05 AM CST
Published : Wednesday, 15 Dec 2010, 7:58 PM CST

Article deleted. Cutting and pasting of entire articles from news resources is against TFL's copyrighted materials policy. Please review the policy by clicking on the "Forum Rules" link at the top of the page.
clayman is offline  
Old December 30, 2010, 08:34 PM   #147
Junior member
Join Date: June 23, 2009
Location: Orange County, CA
Posts: 2,149
Clayman, I was wondering about the fact that he didn't wear a mask. Still, the fadt that this time they would have been dead and it turned out that the guy made the right choice in rushing the gunman means what? What were the odds the guy would have left versus snuffing them? Was this one drunk? I wondered that the victim was able to cover that much ground and jump the gunman.

{I should add that I agree with what you said about each case being different. Here, the customer made the right call as it turns out the gun man was a shooter and the customer was able to rush the gun man. I hope the customer doesn't get charged for shooting the bad guy after gaining control of the situation, if that is what happened.}

Last edited by TheKlawMan; December 31, 2010 at 03:38 AM.
TheKlawMan is offline  
Old January 1, 2011, 12:28 AM   #148
Join Date: December 3, 2010
Posts: 15
Hey KlawMan,

Happy New Year! The customer was not charged with any crime. Both Illinois and Indiana law enforcement credited him with corrective action. LA Tan gave him $5,000 dollars and lifetime tanning for both him and his wife...I kid you not!

The only thing missing was replacement bullets, but then the gun did not belong to him. Just kidding on that last comment.

PS: The perp commented to the customer' "I don't care, I don't want your money, you know what time it is!"(as in. TIME TO DIE!!)
clayman is offline  
Old January 3, 2011, 01:12 AM   #149
Senior Member
Join Date: January 9, 2009
Posts: 669
this is mine
Attached Images
File Type: jpg saiga 410 (5).JPG (65.4 KB, 81 views)
pelo801 is offline  
Old January 3, 2011, 01:23 AM   #150
Gary L. Griffiths
Senior Member
Join Date: April 7, 2000
Location: AZ, IA, WA
Posts: 1,326
Chinese copy of Ithaca 37 with ghost ring rear sight. Heavier than original Ithaca, more reliable with double slide bars. Keep it loaded with Nobel Sport LE 00 Buck (12 pellets).
Violence is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and valorous feeling which believes that nothing is worth violence is much worse. Those who have nothing for which they are willing to fight; nothing they care about more than their own personal safety; are miserable creatures who have no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the exertions of those better than themselves. Gary L. Griffiths, Chief Instructor, Advanced Force Tactics, Inc. (Paraphrasing John Stuart Mill)
Gary L. Griffiths is offline  

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:58 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2015, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
This site and contents, including all posts, Copyright © 1998-2015 S.W.A.T. Magazine
Copyright Complaints: Please direct DMCA Takedown Notices to the registered agent:
Contact Us
Page generated in 0.14126 seconds with 8 queries