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Old October 31, 2010, 09:42 PM   #1
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Most rugged, reliable, durable .308 semi auto?

Hello,

My next purchase will be a semi auto rifle in .308. I want a gun that will be able to withstand abuse, water, rain, mud, etc, and still be able to function.


Basically if everything went to hell, what rifle would you want to have and why?

Thanks!
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Old October 31, 2010, 09:48 PM   #2
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Probably the best bet is a Springfield M1A.
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Old October 31, 2010, 10:02 PM   #3
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Old October 31, 2010, 10:03 PM   #4
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Springfield M1A.

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Old October 31, 2010, 10:22 PM   #5
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An original H&K 91.
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Old October 31, 2010, 10:35 PM   #6
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Hate to say it but a Saiga .308 - or if you're interested in spending enough money, an HK417 or FN SCAR-H.

The M1A will not take mud and I'm not interested in finding out if my FNAR will.
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Old October 31, 2010, 10:52 PM   #7
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M1A or FAL, either will work for me. I have a registered Winchester M14 and also a semi FAL. I don't know which one would be best, probably either one. However if I had to pick up and go fast and carry just what I could tote, I'd probably opt for a Nylon 66 with all the ammo I could carry.
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Old October 31, 2010, 10:52 PM   #8
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Most reliable? FAL. I love my RFB, but I think the FAL has an edge in reliability. Check out: http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showt...?postid=588027
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Old October 31, 2010, 11:38 PM   #9
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Saiga, if it's anything like my x39 version has performed.
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Old October 31, 2010, 11:53 PM   #10
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The saiga 308 will take the mud & water,dirt no problem. Been there done that.
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Old October 31, 2010, 11:53 PM   #11
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Well, the M1 Garand uses a .308 bullet...
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Old November 1, 2010, 12:05 AM   #12
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There are current manufacture Garands that eat .308, although obviously it wouldn't be more reliable than the M1A which isn't as reliable as many would have you believe.
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Old November 1, 2010, 01:56 AM   #13
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Old November 1, 2010, 02:32 AM   #14
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If reliability is the only standard by which we are to judge... Saiga .308 would probably be tops.

The Israeli experience with the FAL seems to suggest that it's not a particularly reliable design.
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Old November 1, 2010, 06:22 AM   #15
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You'd have this:


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Old November 1, 2010, 06:56 AM   #16
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Granted, my '45 Garand is old, but even with excellent mechanicals it's far from reliable. I've had several jams with it. Fun though!
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Old November 1, 2010, 07:11 AM   #17
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Prolly a HK G3 or civilian copy. Excellent reliable rifle. Accurate too.
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Old November 1, 2010, 07:39 AM   #18
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Converted / restored saiga in .308 no question.

Guy at a shoot snapped this pic of someone trying my .308


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Old November 1, 2010, 07:52 AM   #19
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Jaymce,

What is all that stuff coming outta the end of the barrel?

LOL

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Old November 1, 2010, 08:09 AM   #20
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M14

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Most accurate, rugged, reliable, durable .308 semi auto?
No question about it - M21A5 or MK14 built by Smith Enterprise, Inc.



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Old November 1, 2010, 08:15 AM   #21
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FAL.
Ref: see the tale of "ol' dirty" above.
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Old November 1, 2010, 08:25 AM   #22
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Whatever design has the best magazines will be the most reliable.
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Old November 1, 2010, 08:35 AM   #23
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M1A - Depends. If you can afford to build one with quality parts and a quality forged receiver, I'd put it up there.

FAL - again, depends - if it's a quality build on a forged receiver - I like the newer DSA FAL's, but other than those, either original Belgium or imported SBL - Israeli receiver.

HK-91. Original HK or PTR-91. The PTR-91 is a very cost effective alternative for a rugged durable .308.
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Old November 1, 2010, 10:01 AM   #24
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HK 91, hands down. NO gas action to clog up, off center op handles to jam against door openings, or a bunch of parts on the market made wrong. It's all HK, yes they hate you, but do you care?

I had one, tested it by pouring a handful of gravel in the open chamber. Released the bolt, it chambered. Pushed off the safety, it fired and cycled the action. Grit drained out the trigger opening, was propelled out the ejection port, and it kept shooting. I've hunted with it in freezing rain, the covered bolt doesn't get a coating of ice to slow the action. The sights are tactical, not precision target, making quick shots easy. The scope mount is secure and repeats zero. It breaks down easily and cleans quickly. What the heck, the bolt carrier is a weapon in it's own right, it's that heavy.

Portuguese HK's are the poachers #1 gun in Africa, they would know about abuse and putting up with the climate. They are issue all over SW Asia, IIRC Pakistan still has a factory making them. That should settle the issue of what feeds in a dusty environment. Contractors going there choose them because they are reliable, and don't mark them as American, but that's a local situation. Here, it's the reverse, if that has any bearing.

Best beater gun in the world? HK. It's still there in use, unlike the others getting parted out to sell here in CONUS. I sold mine for the same reasons .308 battle rifles aren't used much anymore. That's a different subject.
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Old November 1, 2010, 12:27 PM   #25
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No question about it - M21A5 or MK14 built by Smith Enterprise, Inc.
If there's no question about it there should be some pictures of all kinds of mud and good stuff all over that weapon and up in the receiver correct?
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