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Old December 8, 2014, 05:42 PM   #1
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SAF's New Ad Campaign on UN Treaty

It appears that Alan Gottlieb and the Second Amendment Foundation are concerned that Obama may try and Ratify the UN Arms treaty without Congressional approval.

I have always been under the impression that this is not possible, but if Alan Gottlieb and the SAF think Obama will try, there may be more to it.
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Old December 8, 2014, 06:18 PM   #2
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I have always been under the impression that this is not possible,
You're correct. It takes a 2/3 vote in the Senate, and the votes aren't there for that.

I'm not sure what Gottleib's going on about, nor why the gun in the photo is firing the full casing instead of just the bullet. Perhaps it's a subtle metaphor for the article.
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Old December 8, 2014, 07:01 PM   #3
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From the article, my emphasis underlined...
What other unilateral policies might be coming down the pike?

Could there be a Christmas Eve surprise?

Gottlieb told WND he is launching a national media campaign this week to head off the possibility of executive action....

The Second Amendment Foundation’s [includes] a threat of legal action against the president should he take action to ratify the U.N. treaty without Senate approval.

Gottlieb said a lawsuit would be the last option, taken only if an executive order or action comes from Obama’s office.
I think this is sheer speculation dressed up with SAF talking points and disguised as news. Nowhere does the author cite a credible source who says that Obama will in fact attempt to enact the ATT without Senate approval. Gottlieb never says that it will actually happen- he only talks about what SAF will do if it happens.
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Old December 8, 2014, 07:36 PM   #4
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Exaggerated claims and fund raising are well know tactics in every political genre and social cause.

We received a fund raiser with personalized name tags the other day. The cause was to save the bees. There's been a bee blight and we all starve if they die.

The UN treaty has been out there to rile the populace for quite bit. Ads - where? Superbowl?

The entire round coming out of the gun is ...
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Old December 8, 2014, 10:53 PM   #5
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The Senate ratifies treaties, not the President. The President can, however, direct the Government to come into compliance with any signed treaty, pending ratification. A later President can also suspend such direction, or the Senate can vote non-ratification and then both chambers of Congress can pass a law nullifying any prior executive direction.

Lame Duck presidents have done some pretty bold executive actions, but I wouldn't expect the country to sit still for a non-ratified treaty being imposed on the people, no matter what the subject. The Kyoto Accords are an example of what happened the last time.
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