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View Poll Results: First gun, edc carry
Glock 17 4th gen 23 27.06%
Sig Sauer SP2022 9mm 14 16.47%
H&K P30 9mm 25 29.41%
H&K USP Tactical .45 Auto 23 27.06%
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Old October 17, 2010, 07:31 PM   #26
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Im not sure about the Sig 2022, but I owned and then sold to my best friend a Sig SP2009, which is basically the same gun as the 2022, without the rail. He then went out and got a SP2340, which is the same gun but in 40 S&W...both guns have been incredible for thousands of rounds, amazing reliability and accuracy, nothing at all bad to say about them. You will see some barrel peening, but it stops after 500-100 rounds and doesnt seem to effect anything at all.
The Gen4 17 is definitely a risk, many many people are having problems with the Gen4 9mm's. I would stay away, far away at this point.
HK's are nice, very nice, if I were you it would be between the Sig and the HK. I happen to live 20 mins from where the Sigs are made, so that would also influence my decision
If you had mentioned a Gen3 Glock, I would say that was your best bet, but given your choices, I would have to vote for The Sig or the HK evenly
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Old October 17, 2010, 08:01 PM   #27
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Hm, the Gen3 G17 is also an option.

I'm wondering, does anyone had a problems with the stock glock sights? They tend to fail , right?

And i heard the glocks are more prone to misfires

I don't like P30's mag release button and the spiderman handles

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Old October 17, 2010, 08:49 PM   #28
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This article is from 1995. http://membres.multimania.fr/shooter/glock/glock4.html At that time Chuck Taylor had 100,000 rounds through his Glock 17 and had 1 malfunction at around the 33,000 round count. He had a blown primer at around round #56,000. He had replaced zero parts other than worn out magazines and holsters.

That was 15 years ago, he has well over 300,000 rounds through it now and has had to replace some small parts. They are ugly, but you won't find a more durable, reliable gun at any price.
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Old October 17, 2010, 09:29 PM   #29
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I have both the SigPro 2022 9mm and .40S&W. I also have the Glock 19 Gen 4 (9mm Compact) and Glock 23 Gen 4 (.40S&W Compact). All are problem free. The 2022s are DA/SA - that might be a consideration if shooting matches. The Glocks are DAO. I have carried all of them in OWB holsters that are easily concealed with an outer shirt/vest/jacket. I purchased each of them for less than $500 (but that's here in the US). IMO, you couldn't go wrong with any of them; and as already suggested earlier in this thread - if possible, you should try shooting them before deciding.
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Old October 17, 2010, 10:46 PM   #30
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You can never go wrong with any of the choices you provide us. Something you want to get you started, Glocks is the best imo. I started with a G19 and completely hooked on to it. Got rid of that and got the HK USP .45 full size, and now in the process in getting a G17 because I want to get into competitive shooting.
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Old October 18, 2010, 12:55 AM   #31
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i chose hk p 30 because it is of very high quality, very comfortable, accurate. it can be handed down through generations.
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Old October 18, 2010, 01:36 AM   #32
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EDC as in concealed carry, open carry, or both?

Open carry - USP .45.
Concealed/open - P30.

Had you said Gen3 Glock 19 I would've voted for that.
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Old October 18, 2010, 02:06 AM   #33
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drb1611 all the glocks are actually a single action pistols, pulling the trigger does only one thing. Its the same thing like the 1911 single action.

voyager4520 Why you wouldnt vote for the glock? Isn't the 3rd gen better?
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Old October 18, 2010, 03:05 AM   #34
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I have an HK45 Variant 1...it's the best .45 i've ever shot. the HK p30 is the little brother....never shot the p30 but if its as smooth as the 45 i'd get one.
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Old October 18, 2010, 04:45 AM   #35
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P30 or G17. Whichever you prefer


From Todd Green's P30 endurance test
"once going over 12,000 rounds between cleanings. It was rarely lubed more often than once every 4-5,000 rounds. Multiple days per week"
http://pistol-training.com/archives/2668
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Old October 18, 2010, 09:00 AM   #36
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You did say EDC, so none of the above. Get a Glock 19.
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Old October 18, 2010, 01:43 PM   #37
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The quality, ergonomics, accuracy and reliability of the P30 make it fine sidearm.

I love mine.
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Old October 19, 2010, 12:38 AM   #38
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none of the above. get yourself a S&W.............there is NO substitute!
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Old October 19, 2010, 09:50 AM   #39
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voyager4520 Why you wouldnt vote for the glock? Isn't the 3rd gen better?
I own two Gen3 .40 Glocks, I love them both. I've never had any experience with the Gen4 Glocks other than holding them, but it seems like the 9mm Gen4s are over-sprung.

The Gen4 G17/19 would probably work great for you, especially if you use 9mm Nato, but the Gen3 already has a proven track record with its current configuration.
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Old October 19, 2010, 10:19 AM   #40
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Sefner , the USP TACTICAL is $930
Sigpro $720
HK P30 $860
Glock 17 4th gen $860

I live overseas
We are so lucky here. Sig pro's can be found here for $4-500 as well as the glock $500+.
You can buy a 2022 in DAO here.
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Old October 19, 2010, 10:48 AM   #41
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P30!

The mag release will make sense once you get used, plus it is fully ambidextrous. As for the "spider-man grip" I would venture to say it the most ergonomic grip out there I like it more that my CZ's grips.

And why do you say the USP 9 is better than the P30?
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Old October 19, 2010, 10:51 AM   #42
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all the glocks are actually a single action pistols, pulling the trigger does only one thing. Its the same thing like the 1911 single action.
Although technically Glock is a single action(called safe action), It has no resemblance to a 1911 trigger.
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Old October 19, 2010, 11:54 AM   #43
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group17 yes i'm familiar with that, but i cannot import guns

espnazi Is it jamming, the p30? I like the ambidextrous thing, if i get hurt, i can easily switch hands.

I won't be able to shoot with the P30, so what you think about the trigger? Some say its pita
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Old October 19, 2010, 12:02 PM   #44
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Glock is mostly hype IMO. I work in a gun store and I see them come back as much as any other reliable brand. They DO do what they are asked, and do it at an affordable price (hence the reason police DO use them, not because they are PERFECTION or magical).
Most decent manufacturers have their "hype" followers. My experience with Glock is limited, having only owned three in my life, and even then only one at a time. They've served mie exceptionally well thus far.

Nothing magical in them for me; they're a service pistol, and are used accordingly. If mine didn't work exceptionally well for me, I wouldn't own or carry it.


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Everyone because of my screen name is going to say I am brand loyal, but I can tell you at the moment the only HK I still have is a shotgun (Fabarms made) but am currently looking for a nice p7.
No such thing here. We each have our preferences, and our reasons for them.

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I feel if you were going to be spending the same I would go with HK because it has much better fit and finish usually, the grip is more comfortable, I think the made release located on the trigger guard is ideal.
Much of this is a matter of personal preference. I've not owned an HK yet, but shot a buddy's HK P2000 last week alongside my G23. He perfers the feel and workings of the HK, of course. I'm far more comfortable with my Glock 23. Both were very accurate, with different type recoil in each one. The HK had more muzzle flip, while the recoil of my G23 was more in line with my hand, wrist, and arm. I could shoot mine faster on repeat shots, but he was equally fast with both. He's a border patrol officer, so he shoots a LOT of .40 ammo from his issued P2000 and his own.

At the same price, I'm not sure which I'd go with...other than considering resale value. Here, used HK's sell for more than new Glocks do. HK makes awsome firearms, but I really prefer the G23 for my own use. Between the HK P2000 and a full sized Glock? I'd choose the HK every time, even though I don't care for the grip angle quite as much.

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The HK's fit feel and function great for me. I HAD a Glock 17 who had its fair share of FTE and FTF's with FMJ's and never fit my hand extremely well.
I had a CZ 75B that was equally disappointing, but they're usually pretty good guns with a great reputation.

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That all being said those are MY reasons for ME not ever buying another Glock....YOU need to find out which feels, functions, and fits best for YOU.

As to the Gen 4's I keep hearing buyer beware of problems.
I agree, and understand. I feel the same way about CZ handguns.
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Old October 19, 2010, 12:18 PM   #45
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Not so many votes on the sig...
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Old October 19, 2010, 12:52 PM   #46
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Not so many votes on the sig...
Sig's are great guns; the one's I've shot didn't fit my hand well.

Just a matter of personal preference for me.

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Old October 19, 2010, 01:43 PM   #47
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I won't be able to shoot with the P30, so what you think about the trigger? Some say its pita
As with any gun you will need to practice to get good/used to it. A preference people have in the p30 is to go with the LEM trigger.
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Old October 19, 2010, 02:56 PM   #48
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espnazi could you tell me why you think that way? What is LEM trigger??
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