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Old October 11, 2010, 07:37 PM   #1
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opinion on a Ruger M77 MK II in 300 win mag

I am looking for an opinion on a Ruger M77 MK II in 300 win mag.A local store has one in stock,been on the shelf a couple of
years , I have looked at it and it appears well made with a fat glossy blued barrell and a nice walnut stock the
action is stainless or white metal and to me appears similar to the action of a Mauser . Really nice made weapon that can be had at a reasonable price,comes with scope rings and mount. Ive never owned a Ruger or a 300 win mag . Just wanted to know your opinion or experiences on either or both.......LOUD
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Old October 11, 2010, 08:02 PM   #2
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Ruger M77'S are noted in the magnum cartridges for beating the shooter to death. The barrels are iffy at best. Some are tack drivers and others would make good shotgun barrels. Barrel quality is erratic. Some of the early models had issues with the triggers but it sounds like this one is newer. Like any other gun deal, if you can get the chance to shoot before buying, shoot it. If you can't shoot before buying, best of luck.
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Old October 11, 2010, 09:10 PM   #3
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I have a late Mark II, that had been sitting on the rack for at least couple of years... Everyone wants a hawkeye and that rifle, even though new in the box and heavy marked down wasn't going anywhere.. I decided to take it home for $545 OTD.. Its the .270 win sporter model with the stainless barrel and action with a laminate stock.. Even with the stiff factory trigger it was a shooter, with 1 inch groups being possible when I do my part... It's even better now with a timney trigger in it..

I do not own a .300 win mag as it's a lessor cartridge than my weatherby and I don't see the need for another magnum especially if it fails to meet or beat what I already have... The .300 win is a very good cartridge and if I didn't have a .300 weatherby already I would certainly own a win mag..
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Old October 11, 2010, 09:50 PM   #4
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Like .300 weatherby mag, my father and i have a m77 mk2 hawkeye thats the laminate and stainless, its shoots under 1.5 inch groups with a CRA nikko sterling 4 by 32 scope. That was with the barrel not free floated. They do have a solid kick but your not shooting hundreds of rounds a day through them. Over all they're a nice rifle.

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Old October 11, 2010, 10:52 PM   #5
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Loader, please forgive me in advance for saying this but your post sounds like regurgitation of a lot of internet banter. I have eight ruger m77 mkII's ranging in production from 1994 to 2008 and from 204 to 7 mag. None of them are the fabled 'one ragged hole' five shot group shooters like every savage is claimed to be. Any of them will, however, shoot an inch with a couple that will print down towards the half inch mark.
A lot of these negative stereotypes about ruger began back in the days of the original m77 and may no longer hold true. One that does hold true is about the mark ii (non-vt) trigger....its bad enough that an extra hundred bucks for a timney is money well spent and makes them feel like different rifles.
Just my honest $0.02. This was not a dig or an attack at all; just hoping my experiences can help someone like guys here have helped me.
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Old October 12, 2010, 12:09 AM   #6
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I'M a big fan of the 300WM.Have used one for 25yrs.lots of ammo opts.& loads to do different things with.Recoil can get a little harsh with heavy loads
but its controllable.Its great for long range hunting when you need a little extra power.THE 77MKII is a fine rifle IMO I wouldnt listen to the Ruger bashers on the web. There are sure alot off guys that use them and I've not
heard any of the guys I know say anything bad toward them. So good luck
on your choice & enjoy
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Old October 14, 2010, 08:15 PM   #7
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Well thanks folks for your input. I went and bought the thing for $500 out the door and put a new Redfield 3x9x40 scope . Like I said it is a well finished rifle unlike some of the more assult type rifles in my collection. Any way I will hopefully get tp shoot it this weekend and will let you know how it went with factory ammo. Thanks, LOUD
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Old October 14, 2010, 08:30 PM   #8
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nice work. is the barrel free floated already? could help the accuracy. nice choice mate. We'll expect a range report sometime soon.
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Old October 14, 2010, 08:52 PM   #9
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All Ruger 77s since they first came out are excellent centerfire rifles. I wouldn't debate it at all. Prices are always reasonable too. And they look great.
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Old October 14, 2010, 08:58 PM   #10
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I have an M77 in 338 WinMag. I consider it to be barely adequate as a hunting rifle due to 2.5"-3" groups. None of my other commercial bolt action rifles shoot that poorly. I blame Ruger's goofy angled front action screw and cast receiver.
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Old October 14, 2010, 09:37 PM   #11
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Hey mdd, I have no problems with anybodys opinion but mine is based on facts. My brother bought a new Ruger 77 in a 300 win mag about 3 years ago. The only way to hit anything with it at 100 yds was if you had real strong throwing arms. He sent it back to Ruger who put another barrel on it but if a gun can't shoot any better than 2 1/2"@100 yds, it's crap around here. He sold it and now has several 300 mags, some Winchesters and some Remingtons. And they all shoot good enough to hit anti-freeze bottle at 880 yds. But I'm aware that some Rugers will shoot....but then there are the others that don't.
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Old October 14, 2010, 10:41 PM   #12
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I've got an old M77 MkII all-weather I bought new in 1992(?) with the ugly synthetic stock in .300 WM. I've had Model 700's, 70's, A-bolts, and everything in between. NOTHING has ever put better groups on paper then this rifle and it doesn't kick at all. If I can't beat .750" at 100 yards I'm not doing my part. And that's with any ammo I want to feed it, from the cheapest Winchester and Remington ammo to Federal Premium and similar. It might be one in a million but I had to tell my experience.
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Old October 15, 2010, 09:11 AM   #13
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I have a MKII and a Hawkeye. Both are actually really good rifles. I am very happy with them. I bought them both because I got the chance to shoot my buddy's and his was the most accurate rifle I have ever shot. Mine are not that accurate but they both will do under 1" at 100 yards and that is good enough for me. As far as the trigger goes, a timney is not needed. The Ruger trigger is the easiest trigger to modify in the world. New lighter spring and some trigger and sear polishing will do it really quick.
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Old October 15, 2010, 11:56 AM   #14
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The Ruger stock is not the best for distributing recoil and the recoil pad.....
I would get the rifle and a premium recoil pad that my smith could grind to fit. The 300W is a fine cartridge with a long standing reputation as one of the most accurate of that era.
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Old October 15, 2010, 05:08 PM   #15
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I have had my M77R in 300WM since the early 70"s. It shot good groups with factory ammo, but after developing a load for it, it shoots the ragged hole 5 shot group. A lot of deer, some elk, and a few bear have been claimed by it over the years. Of all the rifles I own, it is my favorite. As for recoil, All 300WM have a sturdy recoil to it. Unless of course you have a muzzle break on it.

Ruger has always been known to make a rugged firearm that functions reliably without looking "cheap".
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Old October 16, 2010, 12:20 AM   #16
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Loader, what did the second barrel shoot? Did you work with the gun to develop a load it liked? I've spent considerable time working with my m77 mkII 223 to make it shoot well. It's been frustrating at times and I'm not done yet but I get closer every time I shoot it. This rifle is damn picky however part of the enjoyment for me is in the challenge of making it work better.
I hear of these junk Rugers but I have to wonder how many of these rifles were never given a fair chance with a bullet & powder charge it liked.
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Old October 16, 2010, 01:06 AM   #17
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I have an M77 in 338 WinMag. I consider it to be barely adequate as a hunting rifle due to 2.5"-3" groups. None of my other commercial bolt action rifles shoot that poorly. I blame Ruger's goofy angled front action screw and cast receiver.
Ruger's "goofy angled front action screw and cast receiver" are the very reason every gunsmith you ask will tell you the Ruger is the toughest action you can build a bolt gun on. The angled action screw works better than traditional recoil lugs, Remington and Savage style lugs, and "sets" the action in the stock. The idea is that the action is pulled tightly against the stock before the first shot is fired, instead of having the action shift in the stock; not to mention, the repeatability of PoI with a stock reinstallation.

A top-rate bedding job can negate the need for the angled recoil lug for a Mauser action, but it does no good for Remingtons, Savages, Marlins, etc. (nor does pillar bedding).

Repeatability, reliability, and strength are the point of that angled lug.


If yours won't shoot well for you, you're using the wrong ammo, just got the "lucky" bad rifle, or have an issue with the sights/scope.
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Old October 17, 2010, 06:43 PM   #18
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Well folks the verdict is in !!!! I went to fire my new Ruger in 300 Win mag. The first 3 shots were on a piece of regular printer paper at 150 yards ,after adjusting the windage and elevation a little it was regularly making 1 inch groups at the same distance . I am very pleased ,especially after hearing many things not to Rugers credit. I either have a very true shooting rifle or have been hearing from some very picky and unsatisfied customers . However this rifle does kick like a mule , after the first 3 shots I began to feel like it was tenderizing my shoulder like beef!! Man that cartridge is HOT !!!But Im so glad that I bought it , it has such a finely finished appearance, the barrell looks like highly polished black glass and the walnut stock is simply beautiful, like a piece of crafted furniture. As far as modifications it doesnt need any ! I just need the ability to master it as it is, but as of now I am very satisfied. Thanks to all who replied to this.......LOUD
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Old October 17, 2010, 06:52 PM   #19
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Loud,

Congrats on a fine shooting rifle... I recommend that you get a limbsaver or eqivalent recoil pad, to help calm some of the bite..
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Old October 17, 2010, 07:07 PM   #20
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Glad you took our advice and got the ruger. I've been happy with all of mine once I figured out what ammo they liked.
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Old October 17, 2010, 07:19 PM   #21
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A .300 Magnum!!??
What would anyone need such a powerful firearm for?!



I really like Ruger's full-length Mannlicher M77 and No.1 rifle stocks with the schnabel forend

My 77/44 has been nothing but excellent
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Old October 17, 2010, 07:27 PM   #22
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A .300 Magnum!!??
What would anyone need such a powerful firearm for?!
Some people just need more power...
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Old October 17, 2010, 08:30 PM   #23
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Well I didnt go out looking for a 300 winnie mag but I have looked at the ballistics on this cartridge and found it interesting. Whatever in North America you hit with it " Its gonna lay down"! One day I walked into a local hardware and farm supply store, one from which I had bought a gunsafe from previously ( so they knew I liked guns) and asked what have you got that I just cant live without? He went into his gun vault and came out with this Ruger . It was a little dusty and had been in there for a couple years , It had the scope rings together as a package . I think the reputation for heavy recoil shood most people off and the cost of factory ammo, made it a little harder to sell than maybe some other caliber. So we negotiated for a few days and I eventualy bought it for $500 even . I guess I really didnt need this much power I just wanted it . I fired 20 rounds with it today and that was quite enough to get it zeroed in to 1 inch groups at 150 yards I could have shot a few more but that was enough. I dont suggest it as a target rifle by anymeans, but it is fun to shoot , not for the faint of heart.Glad I bought it !!!
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. I dont suggest it as a target rifle by anymeans, but it is fun to shoot , not for the faint of heart.Glad I bought it !!!
They don't kick that bad ....
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Whatever in North America you hit with it " Its gonna lay down"!
What is it with 'North America'? Sorry, I'm not from your country but I read about "North America" quite a lot. Does South America not have any big game animals?
I'm just in the throws of purchasing a new Ruger Hawkeye in .300 Win Mag, as we speak, so this thread has been good for me. I've had a Ruger M77 MK11 in .30-06 cal. that I purchased back in 1995. With my careful handloads it will shoot 180 grain slugs at 2,800fps 1 1/2" consistantly at 100 yards, not a tack driver by any means but I thought that was alright for out to 325 yards!
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I have an M77 in 338 WinMag. I consider it to be barely adequate as a hunting rifle due to 2.5"-3" groups
:barf: Sounds like my Sako Finlight in 7mm Rem Mag 1.5" - 3" groups!
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