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Old August 16, 2011, 01:38 PM   #1
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What is this I don't even...

Ran across an incredibly scary video of some "training" recently. No idea what company this is, but I cringed and winced even before they started getting dangerous. Just a little reminder to append "quality" before the "training" when giving a newbie the advice to get trained if they want to get armed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omkfit4NK_A
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Old August 16, 2011, 01:46 PM   #2
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Wow, just wow.

0:50 was a little scary.

1:14 is when I couldn't believe what I was seeing.
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Old August 16, 2011, 02:12 PM   #3
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O_O

That's gotta be some kind of joke...
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Old August 16, 2011, 02:24 PM   #4
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Looked into it a bit more, and sadly it is not a joke. Here are a few blogs discussing this.

http://booksbikesboomsticks.blogspot...boy-rules.html

http://onlygunsandmoney.blogspot.com...s+and+Money%29

This one has some naughty language, fyi

http://www.papadeltabravo.com/blog/?p=1221
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Old August 16, 2011, 02:50 PM   #5
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I want to learn how to pull out my ninja knives and pose like the guy at the end
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Old August 16, 2011, 02:51 PM   #6
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No doubt if these morons do this enough,there will be tragic results.
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Old August 16, 2011, 03:02 PM   #7
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What a bunch of tos**s only a mater of time before one shoots himself or someone else ,embarsing to watch.
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Old August 16, 2011, 03:29 PM   #8
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Yikes

Unless those folks where like seal team six ( which I know they ain't ) then I wouldn't want to be anywhere near those people while anyone of them had a gun near them
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Old August 16, 2011, 03:29 PM   #9
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I thought it was a "bit" ludicrous watching it, thinking it was a team training together... Then I read and saw it was a class. Holy christ, I wouldn't train like that with my best buds knowing their crap, let alone some random moron with too much money. Wow, nice find here.
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Old August 16, 2011, 04:17 PM   #10
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What was with the 2 guys spinning and shooting at a target the other was already facing? or falling down shooting while a guy behind you is shooting?

Is this common now in these training classes?
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Old August 16, 2011, 04:35 PM   #11
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Don't worry I am sure Darwin will come to the rescue.
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Old August 16, 2011, 04:36 PM   #12
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I know a megalomaniac when I hear one.

Bill Beasley is a megalomaniac.

Only an ego maniac would be so out of touch with reality that they actually would reach this point. It requires extreme hubris to come up with schemes like this. Eventually someone will get killed at American Defense Enterprises, and they will get sued, the whole thing will come apart like a house of cards when actual firearms instructors testify to the gross stupidity that occurred at ADE. I also think that will be the time when it will come out that these so called instructors lack credibility and have no qualifications to be training others.
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Old August 16, 2011, 04:53 PM   #13
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It's like Band Camp,,,

I have a friend who is an NRA certified instructor,,,
He was talking a while back about Recreational Training Schools.

Those were his words.

Apparently people all over the nation are setting up training classes,,,
Sort of like a weekend at Disneyland but with guns,,,
Their purpose is to entertain rather than train,,,
They are commercial outfits out after a buck.

Just think how empowered you would feel,,,
After a weekend of spinning with and shooting your guns.

I really didn't mean for that to be as sarcastic as it will read,,,
But the problem is that a normal person has no sure way of knowing,,,
If the school he is looking at is a good school or one run by mall commandos.

Heck, I have two college degrees,,,
Both of them in occupational education,,,
My credentials would look good on a website.

All I have to do is brush cut my hair and buy some black t-shirts.

Dang!,,,
There's my retirement business.

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Old August 16, 2011, 05:04 PM   #14
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They were blowing rounds by eachothers head and such. Wow. I saw three people nearly get shot in the head at least.
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Old August 16, 2011, 05:20 PM   #15
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I can't find it (google-fu broken) but have you seen the videos of the Romanians or or some secret police agency shooting at boards held by hand or between the legs of their comrades? That makes these mall ninja moves look safe.
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Old August 16, 2011, 08:42 PM   #16
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I was laughing until I saw them crossing in front of each other while bullets were going downrange, and the "tactical fall while your buddy shoots them" crap. Then it just made me very angry that someone would try to tell people to do this on the street.
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Old August 16, 2011, 08:50 PM   #17
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oh man. I had to watch this twice. My brain could not register what was happening. The handheld camera in the live fire room was priceless. Nothing like a bunch of students with live rounds running at you shooting.
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Old August 16, 2011, 09:05 PM   #18
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Is this common now in these training classes?
Not just no, but HELL NO.

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Old August 16, 2011, 09:09 PM   #19
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Now I know what "tactical" means.

I also understand why I detest the very term.
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Old August 16, 2011, 09:14 PM   #20
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Old August 16, 2011, 09:20 PM   #21
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The Benny Hill music, title "Do not do this" and being categorized as "comedy" didn't get noticed by anyone else?
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Old August 16, 2011, 09:27 PM   #22
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The Benny Hill music was classic - the only thing it lacked was a huge chested woman busting out of her brazzier being chased by an old man...
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Old August 16, 2011, 09:45 PM   #23
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Watching this sends chills up my spine. Their grip, form and muzzle control needs work. You would think they would have these perfected doing this "training", but I guess that is too boring. That is a great grip at 1:40 - NOT. Makes you wonder how scary is the firearm handling of the other students who did not make the video.
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Old August 16, 2011, 09:53 PM   #24
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Instructors?

I took a look at their website. It appears the people in the video are the instructors. That makes things even scarier.
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Old August 16, 2011, 10:09 PM   #25
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Just placed and order for black BDU's and Ninja knives......I'm on my way......

Anyone care to dance in front of me while I practice.........
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