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View Poll Results: overall quality/reliability/performence(not price)
dpms ap4 7 5.74%
armalite ar-15 10 8.20%
bushmaster ar-15 24 19.67%
colt ar-15 60 49.18%
rock river arms ar-15 21 17.21%
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Old October 3, 2010, 07:53 PM   #1
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ar-15 -poll

who makes the best complete ar-15(5.56x45mm/.223) quality/performance/reliabilty
(leave price out of decision)

-dpms ap4-

-armalite ar-15-

-bushmaster ar-15-

-rock river arms ar-15-

-colt ar-15-
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Old October 3, 2010, 08:47 PM   #2
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LaRue, Noveske, Daniel Defense, LMT, BCM > Colt > the rest
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Old October 3, 2010, 09:03 PM   #3
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Best to worst...

Noveske
Daniel Defense
Larue
LMT
BCM
Colt
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DPMS


I hate DPMS.
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Old October 3, 2010, 09:19 PM   #4
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so

wheres armalite on that list
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Old October 3, 2010, 09:25 PM   #5
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i voted colt cause i own two. but armalite is really the standard now days. and no one can touch armalite for AR-10's
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Old October 4, 2010, 04:59 AM   #6
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Armalite is the standard for what? Most would argue that Noveske is the gold standard AR
How would you rate the Armalite AR-10 versus a LMT MWS?
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Old October 4, 2010, 06:20 AM   #7
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AR15/AR10=ArmaLite or Noveske. The only difference I see between ArmaLite and Noveske is the barrel.
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Old October 4, 2010, 12:40 PM   #8
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I found this info online, I unfortunatly don't have a link to the source.

Some interesting info :

Most all lowers, excluding billet ones, are made by a handful of companies and then the selling "manufacturer" cleans them up, stamps their logo on, and does the finish. here's a list of most of the manufacturer(s). Granted, the finish out and QC processes by the company that stamps their name on the side does vary:

Lewis Machine & Tool
LMT
Lauer
DS Arms
PWA
Eagle
Armalite
Knights Armament
Barrett

Continental Machine Tool
Stag
Rock River Arms
High Standard
Noveske
Century (New)
Global Tactical
CLE
S&W
MGI
Wilson Tactical
Grenadier Precision
Colt

LAR Manufacturing
LAR
Bushmaster
Ameetec
DPMS
CMMG
Double Star
Fulton Armory
Spike's Tactical

JVP
Double Star
LRB

Mega Machine Shop
Mega
GSE
Dalphon
POF
Alexander Arms

Olympic
Olympic
SGW
Tromix
Palmetto
Dalphon
Frankford
Century (Old)

Sun Devil
Sun Devil billet receivers

Superior
Superior Arms
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Old October 4, 2010, 01:05 PM   #9
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My brother is on SWAT for a large city. He has a customized Armalite AR-15. I am saving up for an AR-15 and was wondering about the PWS 5.56 Diablo/MK110. How does the Primary Weapon System compare?
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Old October 4, 2010, 05:26 PM   #10
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Colt is the only manufacture that should have votes on that poll. RT and TriggerJunky have it down right. All the companies they listed are top notch and make excellent rifles that aren't even comparable to Dpms or bushmaster.
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Old October 4, 2010, 07:25 PM   #11
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My LMT isn't on the poll.
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Old October 4, 2010, 07:36 PM   #12
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I have owned a Colt HBar II for 11 years. I shot over 10,000 rounds through it's original upper before I sold it to a friend who was building an AR. I kept the lower and put a RRA Entry Tac upper on it. I am happy with it, even though it has that stupid grenade launcher notch.

I have owned 2 RRA rifles and a Wilson Combat carbine as well. The RRAs function fine and shoot well but the fit and finish doesn't seem to be as good as my Colt. The Wilson had a permanently attached muzzle break because it was a AWB gun. I got rid of it when the ban ended.
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Old October 4, 2010, 08:40 PM   #13
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I voted Colt since it is the best in your poll but would have chosen BCM if you had it.

Hey how come you didn't have my FrankenAR listed... it's S&W (lower receiver), Del-Ton (LPK), BCM (receiver extension/M4 stock), ArmaLite (upper receiver), Wilson (barrel), Daniel Defense (BCG), Bushmaster (various parts), Colt/Cardinal Forge (carry handle), Colt/Anchor Harvey (cut carry handle), YHM (risers), Bushnell (RDS), MagPull (magazine), Marlin (scope), H&K (magazine) and CQB Solutions (sling)!
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Old October 4, 2010, 09:28 PM   #14
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The difference b/t armalite and noveske is: the barrel steel, twist, chrome lining MPI and HPT testing, M16 bolt carrier, MPI bolt, HPT bolt, F marked FSB, Buffer weight, and probably more.
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Old October 5, 2010, 12:14 AM   #15
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To be honest, a complete AR? I build the best one. And you should too. If you get what I mean. I know the builders get it.
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Old October 5, 2010, 12:15 AM   #16
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The difference b/t armalite and noveske is: the barrel steel, twist, chrome lining MPI and HPT testing, M16 bolt carrier, MPI bolt, HPT bolt, F marked FSB, Buffer weight, and probably more.
You're right - the ArmaLite bolt isn't Carpenter 158 steel and the receiver extension is 6061 aircraft aluminum not 7075-T6. But to be fair MIL-B-11595E milspec barrel steel is used as is chrome lining of the chamber and bore.
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Old October 5, 2010, 12:43 AM   #17
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yes i do own a dpms, but i only shoot my larue and noveske 10.5
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Old October 30, 2010, 06:13 PM   #18
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?

how is the colt better then rra,armalite or bushmaster, ive shot all three and rra and armalite were nicer in my opinion but it dominated the poll? and the reason the others arnt on the poll is the price, i shldve put best under $1300 but seriousley ,is the pony emblem worth that much and in which ones have the best resale?
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Old October 30, 2010, 07:03 PM   #19
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http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?k...=5&output=html
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Old October 30, 2010, 07:11 PM   #20
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Colts are typically pretty mediocre.
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Old October 30, 2010, 07:20 PM   #21
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Colts are typically pretty mediocre.
Take a look at the link to the M-4 variants and say that again....

http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?k...=5&output=html
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Old October 30, 2010, 08:17 PM   #22
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My personal experience with issued M4s and 16s obviously doesn't have **** on this chart which is the definitive authority on the performance of various AR-15s.
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Old October 30, 2010, 09:02 PM   #23
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Yes everyone that was ever issued an AR platform is an expert on the matter.

I voted for Colt, I sold my Colt, and my Stag shoots just as nice for half the money. Noveske and LMT BCM are better, but for the poll I would say Colt, for me, my Stag has been awesome. I don't crawl through mud with mine, or do water bound assaults, so my Stag works just fine for me. I trust my life to it in the conditions I would need to use it, and it always performs great when I take it out to shoot. I got my stag used off here by another member. Used the money from my colt for a different gun, and have been slowly tinkering and replacing parts on the Stag when I get extra time and money.... which is just as much fun as shooting the thing.

An AR is an adult erector set, build your own, so you can't complain that said brand is bad, you put the labor in, you only have yourself to blame.
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Old October 30, 2010, 09:06 PM   #24
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There is objective proof that Colt makes the best gun on this list. Use your googlefu. Good grief.
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Old October 30, 2010, 09:20 PM   #25
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Yes everyone that was ever issued an AR platform is an expert on the matter.
I didn't claim so much for a second, but the idea that creating some artificial criteria about how the rifle is built and putting them into a matrix makes Colt the best rifle is retarded.
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