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Old September 3, 2010, 10:09 AM   #1
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7mm rem mag vs. .30-06. yeah I know but really.

I have a chance at buying a friends 7mm mag. rem 700 for $500 comes with a burris 3x9-40. but an older friend said the .30-06 and the 7mm do the same thing with 180 and 175 gr. bullets. the case cost and powder charge is more in the 7mm and you get the same thing in an 06 but cheaper. whats the difference in the real world. ive read the other posts and still cant come up with a answer. is the 7mm a waste of money? the 140gr. 7mm will hit 3250 in a 26" barrel. dont know of an 06 load that will beat this and be that accurate out to 300 and beyaond.


the 7mm my friend has, has less than 100 rnds through it. so its a good deal.
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Old September 3, 2010, 10:12 AM   #2
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In the real world there's not a lick of difference between the two. If you are going to hunt with it there's not a deer in the world that can tell the difference between them.

7mm Rem mag ammo is more expensive and it seems to have a bit sharper recoil IMO with most loads, so there is no real upside for me to get a 7mm rem mag.

If it is a good price and accurate then you might want to get it anyways.
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Old September 3, 2010, 10:41 AM   #3
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The 06 is a wonderful cartridge and does many things quite well. The 7mm mag is a lot flatter shooting, so hold over isnt as much of a problem out at longer ranges when hunting. Most hunters do not carry rangefinders and so they have to "guesstimate" the distance. If you have something that is flat shooting then that is an advantage. If you are punching paper from a bench, then it dosnt make that much difference.

Do I like the 06? No question about it! Do I like the magnums? Of course I do.
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Old September 3, 2010, 10:49 AM   #4
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The 7mm is not a lot flatter shooting for most hunting situations. It is safe to assume that probably 99% of deer are shot at less than 300 yards and ( using the www.winchester.com ballistic calculator) there is only a 1.7" difference in point of impact between a 168 grain silvertip from a .30-06 and a 150 grain silvertip from a 7mm mag, assuming a 200 yard zero. Not enough of a difference in my book to really choose one over the other based on the 7mm being ' flatter shooting ".

But, if you like the rifle and is is accurate and a good price then it would be a great deer/ elk rifle.
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Old September 3, 2010, 11:06 AM   #5
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I hunted with a 7 RM for a long time, it's a fine accurate round but if the truth was known, its not worth the extra cost of shooting nor the added recoil in my book.

First published velocities are from 26+ in barrels, hunting rifles are normally 24. I've never chronied a 7mm RM that came close to the published data.

I don't hunt past 300 yards and both have all the power you need for anything in this country for that range.

Both will do the trick and in my opinion both are over kill for hunting animals I hunt (deer antelope and elk). I use a 257 Roberts for deer and antelope and a 270 Win for elk.

I've gone the Mag route and found its not worth the disadvantages. In my old age I've gone the other way. If I was to choose one of the two, it would be the '06 but I wouldn't load it hot, I'd stick to my Garand Loads switching the match bullets for 150 hunting bullets.

Also in my old age I've gotten lazy and wimpy. I don't like recoil and I don't like packing heavy rifles. I'll leave that to you young whipper-snappers. I'll stick to my M-70 Feather Weights and light recoiling rounds.
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Old September 3, 2010, 11:30 AM   #6
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To make a short answer long...

For that price, get the 7mm. In equal length barrels, equal results; however, most '06 rifles are 22" and 7mm are 24". I've shot and loaded each for decades over the chronograph. For hunting purposes, the 7mm is about 150 yards "longer" than the '06 with 150-165gr bullets. I have found one handload that is superior - a 150 Nosler Partition @ 3230 in the 7mm. If you reload, then choose the 7mm because it retains accuracy, SD, and ES with maximum loads, as the '06 falls off after about 85% case full.
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Old September 3, 2010, 01:18 PM   #7
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7mm Rem mag ammo is more expensive and it seems to have a bit sharper recoil IMO with most loads, so there is no real upside for me to get a 7mm rem mag.
I agree with that.

Does that mean you shouldn't get the 7mm? No. If you've already got a 30.06, I wouldn't rush out and buy a 7mm Rem Mag.

If you don't have a good hunting rifle, that Remington is a good deal and the 7mm is a great round.
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Old September 3, 2010, 02:49 PM   #8
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Is it a good rifle? That's the main consideration.

If we're just talking about a deer rifle the difference between the two cartridges is not worth mentioning.
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Old September 3, 2010, 03:59 PM   #9
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Old September 3, 2010, 05:26 PM   #10
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For a zero of around 200 yards, which takes care of 90+% of all deer and elk hunting, there's not enough difference in "flatness" at 300 or 400 to worry about. Maybe a four-inch difference at 400 yards, which is not so much Ma Bell country for the average hunter as it is the "Optimist's Option".

Even at 500 yards if you know the trajectory, you only need two things: First is the ability to judge wind, and the other is a laser range-finder. Otherwise you're relying on luck with either.
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Old September 3, 2010, 05:31 PM   #11
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There isn't any doubt that if I am out somewhere that a rested 450 yard shot on a trophymight be possible, I want my 7 mag and not my 30-06.
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Old September 3, 2010, 09:03 PM   #12
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Dimensionally, both 7mm Rem. Mag. and .30-06 are essentially the same except for neck diameter. That said, the upside of the 7mm is the awesome long range trajectory & ballistics and the upside of the .30-06 is the great availablity of affordable ammo.

I'm a 7mm Rem. Mag. guy myself and I reload to help cut down on the cost per round.
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Old September 3, 2010, 10:37 PM   #13
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Dimensionally, both 7mm Rem. Mag. and .30-06 are essentially the same except for neck diameter.
Nope not even close, the 06 case holds 68 grains of water and the 7mm Rem Mag holds 83.2 grains of water. 15 grains difference in capacity is a lot. The 7mm case is based off the a shortened .375 H&H case while the 06 is based off the 1903 cartidge.
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Old September 3, 2010, 10:43 PM   #14
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I just fired up the old Sierra ballistic software.Comparing a 150 gr SBT Sierra with a 180 gr SBT Sierra,3100 fps for the 7mm and 2800 for the 30.These are book max top velocity published loads,both 1.6 sight height,same approx 5000 ft altitude,etc.Point blank range factor +or minus 5 in.In the case of the 7mm I was able to hit 5,0 in + at 320 yds.In the case of the 30-06,it fudged up to 5.2 in with a 300 yd zero,so,to be fair,I must admit we gave the 30=06 a 0.2 inch cheater handicap advantage.
The Sierra software says the 7mm Rem will be 5 in low at 380 yds.It says the 30-06 will be 5 in low at 360 yds.
That is a whopping 20 yd advantage in max point blank range.
Sure,we can quibble ,but there is no doubt a 150 yd ballistic advantage just is not there.
Now,in my experience in 7mm,a 162 gr SST has a better BC,and I +P a 7 Rem a bit.I get 3050 from a 26 in bbl.That would help the 7mm.
I picked a 180 30-06 because that is my 30-06 preference.If I'm looking at long ranging,I do not use the lightweight whiffle bullets with the BCof a potato chip.
What can be enlightening,check out how fast you can launch a 300 gr 338 MK from a non-glamorous 338 Win Mag.I think it will be about 2400 screaming feet per second.Pick your favorite 140 gr or 150 gr 7Rem load and shoot them both through a chronograph at 1000 yds.See how they compare.

I am not knocking the 7mm rem,I have owned 3,still own one.As a kid went into Mountain Armory to buy a Rem 700 .270,the .270 in stock had a feed issue when we stepped out back to test fire.My money was burning a hole in my pocket so old Frank sent me out the door with a 7mmRem Mag.At 17 years old I was stuffing 160 gr Sierras on top of 70 grs old surplus H 4831.That was more than 40 years ago.

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Old September 4, 2010, 07:35 AM   #15
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Gliesmann, if you KNOW it's 450 yards, and you know the trajectory, it won't matter which cartridge you use. Bambi will be "ruint" with either. BTDT. A 150-grain Sierra from my '06 into Bambi's boiler room had him drop in his tracks. 450 yards, as a matter of fact, give or take ten yards or so. I never had another such occasion, but I figure it was a good learning experience.
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Old September 4, 2010, 08:15 AM   #16
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TaylorCE1: "Nope not even close, the 06 case holds 68 grains of water and the 7mm Rem Mag holds 83.2 grains of water. 15 grains difference in capacity is a lot. The 7mm case is based off the a shortened .375 H&H case while the 06 is based off the 1903 cartidge."
You are right, I stand corrected. After I wrote that, I pulled my handy ol' Hornady Reloading Manual down off the shelf and saw that I had spoken wrong. Thanks for the correction.
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Old September 4, 2010, 04:13 PM   #17
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Belted cases are just cool is all
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Old September 4, 2010, 04:18 PM   #18
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06-7mmrm

I own both calibers ,for the price,it's no brainer ,it's a steal.BB
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Old September 5, 2010, 01:45 PM   #19
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As long as the rifle fits you well and is comfortable then neither you nor the animal will notice a difference in performance.

A properly fitted rifle is the most important part of effectiveness.

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Old September 5, 2010, 03:15 PM   #20
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They are both great cartridges.They will both do a superb job.Neither will be a handicap.You can get some range advantage out of the 7,but at 300,350 it is insignificant.Past that.with both cartridges.advanced skills and uncertainty come into play.
Each rifle is an individual,but generally
A 7 mag will come with a longer,heavier barrel.That means a typical Remchester is lighter in a 30-o6
The 7 mm rem is usually a fairly tight twist.The 7 mag burns more powder in a smaller boreThose factors work together to cause more metalfouling and a shorter barrel life.A 7mm Rem bble shorter than 24 in is rather questionable.A30-06 will work good with a 22 in bbl
The magazine will hold one more 30-06
Unless you do some simple things right,case life with belted magnums can be not so good due to stretch rings.
Equal weight rifles,the 30-06 will tend to be somewhat friendlier recoil wise.
These differences are not dramatic black and white.They are shades of grey.
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Old September 5, 2010, 03:35 PM   #21
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My Weatherby shoots less than 1/2 MOA at 100 yds, with Hornady 139 BTSP's. Now It does feel a little more punishing than the 3006, but my rifle came with a nice recoil pad, so it's more of a pleasure to shoot than our Rem 700 3006. It has a 24 inch tube, where the 3006 has a 22". I haven't hunted with it yet but I can only imagine that it'll be nice out to 3 or 400 yds. I came up with the ammo because Dicks had a sale on it, and it shoots it nicely, so why change. After deer season I might try to work on different loadings with heavier bullets but right now it's not in my budget!! If I was you, I'd haggle the friend, and see if I couldn't buy it cheaper, Sans the good deal, I'd take a 3006! Bottom line here is make yourself happy!! ( when I shoot this magnum at the range I usually get some weird looks, or somebody asking what I'm shooting. HiBc, I thought I'd never hear 3006 and the word friendlier in the same sentence, hehehe
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Old September 5, 2010, 08:55 PM   #22
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I have both and at the distances I shoot at, both are DRT. I got the 30-06 because I was having problems with the recoil of my 7 mag. Now, I alternate between the 7 mag and my 30-06 since I put a Limbsaver recoil pad on my 7mag.

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7mm will hit 3250 in a 26" barrel. dont know of an 06 load that will beat this and be that accurate out to 300 and beyaond.
You will be surprised how many shots you will take at 300 yards and beyond. I have hunted whitetail deer for 25 years and I may have taken 3 shots at over 300 yards. Most of all of my kills have come from distances of 100 to 150 yards.
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Old September 5, 2010, 10:41 PM   #23
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Dimensionally, both 7mm Rem. Mag. and .30-06 are essentially the same except for neck diameter. That said, the upside of the 7mm is the awesome long range trajectory & ballistics and the upside of the .30-06 is the great availablity of affordable ammo.
Sorry but that's not true at all. The 7mm Mag uses a belted magnum diameter case while the 30-06 doesn't. Perhaps you were thinking of the 280 Remington.

The 7mm Mag shoots a bit flatter but only past 300 yards. Despite what you read on the internet, in the real world 300 yards is a long shot, so I can't see the point in putting up with the recoil, noise and expense of the 7mm Mag in order to get an "advantage" you'll rarely use.
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My father was egotistical about his shooting skill, but he was sneaky. He'd take buddies along on a hunt, and let them tell the stories of his shots. A fair number of one-shot kills at 400 and 500 yards in front of witnesses--mostly, offhand. I watched him bust the white spot, offhand, at 250 yards...

Sporterized Springfield, so .30-'06 with a Weaver K6. 150-grain Hornady Spire Points. GI specs on the powder.

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Old September 6, 2010, 11:14 AM   #25
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Like others, I don't see enough difference between the two cartridges to choose between them. I personally prefer the '06, but that's just me. My FIL shoots a 7mm Mag. They both get the job done.

So tell us more about the rifle! If it's an older 700 BDL in nice walnut, it sounds like a "good deal." If it's a beat up ADL, not so much. I picked up my 700 BDL (.30-06) a couple of years ago--second hand, but unfired; had a nice 3-9X Redfield scope on it. Paid $450 in a FTF deal. I bought the RIFLE rather than the cartridge. I'd have been just as happy with a .270 or a 7mm. So tell us more about the rifle itself!
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