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Old August 15, 2010, 06:06 PM   #1
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Accurate airsoft or bb pistols?

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Hi all,

I was sort of bitten by the airsoft bug last halloween when I went to a party and a guy had brought a spring-powered airsoft pistol and a target to play around with. I got my own a little later (Crosman C11, CO2 powered) and even got a second C11 chambered in .177, also CO2 powered. They are fun, and they scratch a certain itch, but I find that the accuracy is lacking in these pistols. E.g 12+ inch groups at 10 yards from rest. Especially airsoft. And heavier projectiles (.20 and .25 gram) don't seem to really help.

Does anyone have recommendations on accurate airsoft/bb pistols? Prefer CO2. I hear Gamo makes good stuff but I dunno. Please advise.

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Old August 15, 2010, 06:40 PM   #2
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Um I just want to throw this out there, airsoft guns and pellet guns are two different things. Just in case you meant skirmishing when you said "certain itch". Can't use pellet guns for that, or atleast I wouldn't.

Now I don't know much about pellet guns, but with airsoft you should be more specific what you want. Spring, Gas Blow-back, Non-Blowback.

I don't think TFL is really the right forum for this so you should check out http://www.airsoftretreat.com/. One of the biggest airsoft forums in the US. They should help you out.
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Old August 15, 2010, 07:22 PM   #3
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I have a couple of BB pistols coming tomorrow. They are supposed to shoot at 480 fps.

My intention is that they will be good for developing point and shoot skills at low cost. Setting up range course in the backyard. I know it sounds dorky but it might well work for my basic skills and I intend to teach my wife how to aim and shoot.

At the moment the only gun she can hold in her hand is a suppressed .22 - no noise and no real recoil to freak her out. Baby steps.

I will tell ya how it works out.
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Old August 15, 2010, 07:31 PM   #4
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There are reasonably accurate airsoft pistols out there but if you want to use airsoft as a serious training tool, expect to pay for a serious training tool. As with airguns, the good ones tend to cost more than the toys that are more commonly available.

You can get very accurate pellet pistols. BB pistols are almost inevitably smoothbores and accuracy suffers a bit compared to the pellet guns. Accurate multi-shot air pellet pistols are also available.

Here's a pretty decent 10-shot air pistol. Be aware that shooting a CO2 gun rapidly will cause a pressure/velocity decrease as the exhausting CO2 will lower the temperature/pressure of the CO2 cartridge.

http://www.airgundepot.com/5866.html

I don't remember having ordered from the Airgun Depot and I'm not recommending them--I just did an internet search and they're the first site that popped up with the airgun I had in mind.
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Old August 15, 2010, 08:24 PM   #5
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Thanks for the replies so far. The "certain itch" I am scratching is just "target shooting with a pistol". E.g. cans, paper targets, etc. Just looking for an accurate CO2 pistol to do that with.

JohnKSa, I know what you mean about quality. But $226 is a bit much. Thanks for the example; I assume you have first-hand experience with that gun?

The smoothbore point is well taken...I had wondered about that. It seems you are distinguishing pullet(-only) guns from bb/pellet guns or bb(-only) guns. I assume that since the pellets are lead, they can deform into the grooves of a rifled barrel and therefore rifling makes sense on a pellet-only gun?

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Old August 15, 2010, 08:37 PM   #6
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Daisy 717 is probably the best dollar to accuracy value, IMHO. Inexpensive, needs next to zero maintenance, super quiet.
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Old August 15, 2010, 09:57 PM   #7
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The most accurate airsoft pistol would be a Western Arms with some modification.

The lower to middle grade will cost ~$125 + cost of modifications.

Most accurate pellet/bb pistol would be the Gamo. Be careful though, sometimes they'll make a "combo" pistol. Meaning...you can shoot bbs and pellets out of it. As you can imagine, a bb traveling out a rifled barrel will not be very accurate. A pellet traveling out a smooth bore barrel will not be very accurate either...

They start at ~$50. Sometimes for even less.



The two brands above are for recreational enthusiasts. If you're really serious about accuracy, you should look at the higher end Western Arms and single shot pellet pistols made by Beeman, etc.

Just remember that no amount of money will make those as accurate as a firearm...I learned that the hard way (before I was old enough for firearms).
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Old August 15, 2010, 10:22 PM   #8
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frumious,

Yes, at one point I owned a pistol similar to that one. The DA pull was very nice, the SA pull had a small but irritating "hitch" in it. Still, overall it was a pretty decent CO2 pistol. I purchased it based on some very positive reviews and found that it lived up to the reputation.

The combination BB/Pellet guns are typically rifled to improve accuracy when using pellets. The problem is that rifling will compromise the accuracy with steel BBs compared to a well-made smoothbore. I suppose one could use lead BBs which are a bit larger than steel BBs and which can make use of the rifling advantage.

There are accurate CO2 pellet pistols out there that are very reasonably priced, but I had it in my head that you wanted something in a multi-shot. You could take a look at the Crosman 2300 in .177 or the 2240 in .22. Both have a reputation for very good accuracy.

If you want something a bit more individualized, visit the Crosman "custom shop" http://www.crosman.com/custom_store/ and you can walk through the steps of building your own Crosman C02 pistol.
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Old August 15, 2010, 10:51 PM   #9
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I have only one airsoft pistol and it's a UHC copy of a Beretta 92 with a weighted magazine. This thing is scary accurate and I use it to shoot birds, especially seagulls. Doesn't damage them but they sure don't like it and scoot quickly. Also good for backyard pests like stray cats. Like I said, no damage, just motivation to leave.
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Old August 16, 2010, 08:30 PM   #10
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Western Arms is the widely recognized high-quality airsoft pistol manufacturer.
WE, KSC, KJW, and Tokyo Mauri are also good (and cheaper).

Those airsoft pistols usually run on green gas (propane with some lubricant). The cool thing is you can get an adaptor and run them on propane (just have to use some silicone spray on the port every few fills).
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