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Old August 4, 2010, 12:11 PM   #1
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I'm confused about 9mm ammunition,,,

How many types of 9mm ammo are there?,,,
And which cartridges fit which guns.

Is 9x19 and 9mm Luger the same cartridge?

What is 9mm Makarov?

I can't seem to find a list that explains them all.

Anyone have a good explanatory list?

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Old August 4, 2010, 12:14 PM   #2
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9 x 19 = 9mm Parabellum = 9mm Luger
9 x 18 = 9mm Makarov
9 x 17 = .380 ACP = .380 Auto = 9mm short = 9mm Kurz

There may be others, but these are the ones I am familiar with.
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Old August 4, 2010, 12:16 PM   #3
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Old August 4, 2010, 12:19 PM   #4
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.380 ACP is a lot more common terminology than "9x17 Browning Short", although they refer to the same cartridge.

Nice chart, some of these are really obscure.

One more point, according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Makarov_pistol #1 and #3 are essentially the same thing.
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Old August 4, 2010, 12:34 PM   #5
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AKs Rule ... Awsome picture and great coverage of the 9mm.

Spacecoast nailed the big ones and with all the name variations (I always liked Kurz for the .380 ACP). And of course within each type you have a variety of bullet weights and styles. btw - kurz is German for short.

For example, the 9x19 Luger (usually the one meant when someone says 9mm) is a 115gr Full metal Jacket in it's most common form but can be had in 115gr, 124gr, and 147gr in both FMJ and Jacketed Hollow Point.

The .380 ACP's I'm less familiar with but are typically 95gr FMJ and can also be had in 115, 125, and 130gr (not sure about FMJ vs JHP for each weight though).
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Old August 4, 2010, 12:47 PM   #6
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9 x 19 = 9mm Parabellum = 9mm Luger
9 x 18 = 9mm Makarov
9 x 17 = .380 ACP = .380 Auto = 9mm short = 9mm Kurz
9 x 17 = .380 ACP = .380 Auto = 9mm short = 9mm Kurz = 9mm Corto = .380 Browning.
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Old August 4, 2010, 01:03 PM   #7
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I'm confused about 9mm ammunition,,,
If you have a specific gun in mind, folks here will help with the right ammo.
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Old August 4, 2010, 01:20 PM   #8
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9x25 = 9mm Mauser , introduced for the Mauser C96 !
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Old August 4, 2010, 01:29 PM   #9
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"Nice chart, some of these are really obscure."

I'm familiar with all of them, but I'm very disappointed that he left off the 9mm Mars.


"One more point, according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Makarov_pistol #1 and #3 are essentially the same thing."

9mm Mak may well have been a derivative of the Luftwaffe's abandoned 9mm Ultra project of the 1930s. But the Mak used a different diameter bullet, and they are not interchangeable.
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Old August 4, 2010, 01:47 PM   #10
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One gentleman sent me this great link,,,

It has more information than I ever would want to know,,,

Click here please,,,

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Thank you for all of your input,,,
As soon as I digest all of this data,,,
All of my questions should be answered.

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Old August 4, 2010, 03:43 PM   #11
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you missed 38APC

9mak is actuall .365 and will not fit in a .357/9/.38-.380 barrel, well it might, but you really don't want to pull the trigger.
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Old August 4, 2010, 03:49 PM   #12
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Also the 9mm lead ball
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Old August 4, 2010, 04:06 PM   #13
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The picture also lacks the .38 Merwin & Hulbert (M&H), aka .38-14 or .38-100. ("14" referred the blackpowder charge in grains; the meaning of the "100" is unknown, but it was used on some ammo boxes for reasons lost to history.) This was a centerfire revolver cartridge that, as I understand it, is marginally longer than the .38 Short Colt. OTOH the absence of the cartridge from the picture is understandable because IIRC original M&H ammo was only made for a few years in the late 19th century and is somewhat of a Holy Grail to cartridge collectors, with boxes of 50rds selling for $500+.
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Old August 4, 2010, 05:04 PM   #14
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Do not forget 9x25 Dillon, which is 10mm necked down to 9mm. Not likely to be found in your typical store.

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Old August 5, 2010, 12:16 AM   #15
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"the meaning of the "100" is unknown, but it was used on some ammo boxes for reasons lost to history"

A number of early cartridge boxes were marked .22/100 .32/100 and the like. It mean .22/100ths of an inch; IOW, the bore diameter.
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Old August 5, 2010, 11:09 AM   #16
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I find this, the list of handgun cartridges to be useful, as well as the list of rifle cartridges.
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Old August 5, 2010, 11:17 AM   #17
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.38 Special fits them all, that's why it's "special"! That's what a gun shop employee told me when I asked for a box of .38 Super, and he produced a box of .38 Special.
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Old August 5, 2010, 11:40 AM   #18
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Here's something which was on the link from post #10 that I didn't know: It says that 9mm NATO is dimensionally identical to 9mm Parabellum but is loaded to a higher standard pressure. Is that pressure compatible with modern 9mm (luger) firearms? I've seen boxes of it and believed it was no different from the 9mm luger ammo.
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Old August 5, 2010, 01:33 PM   #19
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I was going to suggest what I always thought of as the definitive guide to boolits, "Cartridges of the World" but on Amazon there are some well written reviews taking the publication to task.

They say old errors are not being corrected and new errors are creeping in and they are not including some info that they used to have.

If true I find this frustrating and sad.

I DO NOT want to fall into the "They sure don't write 'em like they used to" crowd but I will definitely keep my older copy if I decide to get the newer version.

Here's the Amazon link:

http://www.amazon.com/Cartridges-Wor.../dp/0896899365

I really appreciate all the online references mentioned but I always wonder if an online reference that is good today will still be good tomorrow. Also I worry that it might not even be around tomorrow.
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Old August 5, 2010, 01:56 PM   #20
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I've had problems with Cartridges of the World for a long time.

Nothing major, but there are lots of errors that have not been corrected over time. There are also lots of relatively common cartridges that have never been included.

Still, it's a great beginner's reference.
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