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Old July 28, 2010, 11:18 PM   #1
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black powder pistol problem

Hey guys, my cousin gave me a .44 black powder pistol today and the cylinder will not move, any suggestions?
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Old July 28, 2010, 11:24 PM   #2
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Most likely the cylinder is rusted..

need to soak over night in kerosene or Kano Kroil penetrating oil.

Then slowly attempt to remove and then coat with turpentine and scrub with fine BRASS/BRONZE wool or brush.

Get a manual from manufacturer,is unsure how to dis-assemble.

BP residue get EVERYWHERE, need to completely clean & oil
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Old July 28, 2010, 11:26 PM   #3
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we took it apart and it was clean
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Old July 28, 2010, 11:32 PM   #4
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will the hammer cock?

if so does the trigger work?
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Old July 28, 2010, 11:44 PM   #5
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yes the hammer cocks and the trigger works
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Old July 28, 2010, 11:52 PM   #6
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If you can turn the cylinder manually but it wont turn when cocked you need a hand.
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Old July 29, 2010, 12:02 AM   #7
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it wont turn at all
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Old July 29, 2010, 12:14 AM   #8
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what model is it and how were you able to take it apart?
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Old July 29, 2010, 12:18 AM   #9
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it says made in italy, it has no brand name and has pn's in two places on the gun. I think my cousin got it apart with a screwdriver
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Old July 29, 2010, 12:22 AM   #10
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A picture might help
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Old July 29, 2010, 12:24 AM   #11
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A modern replica, most likely a Colt or Remington. Does the frame have a top strap or is the top of the cylinder exposed?
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Old July 29, 2010, 12:29 AM   #12
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its exposed
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Old July 29, 2010, 12:33 AM   #13
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Does it look like this...


or this

Images courtesy of Cabela's
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Old July 29, 2010, 12:35 AM   #14
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yes, I'm about to post a picture, if i can figure out how ive never done it before.
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Old July 29, 2010, 12:44 AM   #15
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its more like the first pic
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Old July 29, 2010, 12:46 AM   #16
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Old July 29, 2010, 12:49 AM   #17
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here is the pic
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Old July 29, 2010, 01:39 AM   #18
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Is there any cylinder gap, space between cylinder and barrel. Wedge pin could be to tight [deep] causing the binding.
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Old July 29, 2010, 01:45 AM   #19
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or maybe the bolt isn't dropping out because the cam leg thingy has broken off.
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Old July 29, 2010, 01:48 AM   #20
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tap the barrel wedge out from right to left...that's the sticky out thingy on the lower rear barrel assembly...and the barrel should slide forward from the frame.
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Old July 29, 2010, 02:01 AM   #21
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there is no space between the cylinder and barrel
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Old July 29, 2010, 04:21 AM   #22
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You seem to have a Colt M1851-style variation marketed as the Confederate Navy .44 Sheriff's model.



Is the right side of the barrel marked "F.LLI PIETTA - MADE IN ITALY"? If yes, then instructions and parts are available from Cabela's.
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Old July 29, 2010, 08:07 AM   #23
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Sounds very much like the bolt leg is broken where it rides on the hammer and the bolt is locked in the "up" position.
Take the three screws out of the backstrap (2 on the shoulder and 1 in the base) and remove the assembly with grips. Slide the main spring sideways until it clears the hammer. Remove the three screws holding the trigger guard in place and remove the assembly. Remove the screw holding the forked spring and take the spring out. The trigger and bolt screws can now be removed from the side of the frame, when both parts will drop out.
The bolt should look like this:



If one or both of the legs are broken it needs replacing. Re-assembly is done in reverse to the instructions above.

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Old July 29, 2010, 08:19 AM   #24
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If you can move the hammer and the cylinder does not turn then the hand is broken, more likely the hand spring.

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