Bullets for Guide Gun

TXGunNut · July 24, 2010, 08:42 PM

Slipped away from the keyboard long enough to load some 45-90 BPCR rounds with the cast bullets I sweated over last weekend. After I put the BP away I spotted some primed 45-70 cases and decided my BPCR shouldn't get to have all the fun. I'll be testing some new jacketed bullets in my Guide Gun tomorrow, might as well run some cast bullets through it too.

Loaded up some mild 2400 loads (30 grains) just to see how they'll do. Never fired cast bullets in this rifle, should be able to push them a bit faster if needed. Guess some other powders could be better, been thinking about 5744, any other favorites for light-medium loads under cast bullets?
Can't wait for Lyman's new cast bullet handbook to come out, need another loading manual.

salvadore · July 24, 2010, 09:30 PM

Lyman is going to publish a new cast bullet hand book? Who tolja?

Edward429451 · July 24, 2010, 09:54 PM

Cast bullets for the Guide Gun? Lyman makes a real good 400 gr FP mould that my GG really likes and accounted for a mule deer. My GG leaded until I started sizing at .460 and now life is good. Reloader 7 is the powder that you will want to use. RL7 makes any cast bullet shoot good in 45/70.

TXGunNut · July 24, 2010, 10:05 PM

Thanks, Edward. I use RL7 in my jacketed bullets, didn't see it listed for cast. I use the 405 grn 457193 Lyman and I'm working on a hunting load for it, maybe two! I started using RL7 many years ago with .35 Remington. Been awhile, price tag says $12.50.
Was looking at the #3 manual from Midway and they listed a 4th Edition with a "coming soon" status, salvadore.

TXGunNut · July 24, 2010, 10:18 PM

I give up, Edward. Care to share a starting load for RL7 and a 405gr cast bullet?

Edward429451 · July 25, 2010, 01:01 PM

41.0 gr of RL7 should be a good starting load for a 405

TXGunNut · July 25, 2010, 11:25 PM

Thanks. Sounds good. My 325 grn 2000fps load is 48 grains so that makes sense.

coachseeley · August 13, 2010, 10:27 PM

Anyone have any recipes for 45-70 cast with IMR4198? I'd like to stay around 300-350 gr. if possible. TX, how do you like that 325gr. mould?

TXGunNut · August 13, 2010, 11:06 PM

325 gr is the Hornady FTX jacketed bullet, same as loaded in their LeverEvolution load. Whole 'nuther subject but I like it, rifle likes it.

I've only cast & loaded the 457193 405 gr bullet so far.

July 24, 2010, 08:42 PM	#1
TXGunNut Senior Member Join Date: January 16, 2010 Location: If you have to ask... Posts: 2,797	Bullets for Guide Gun Slipped away from the keyboard long enough to load some 45-90 BPCR rounds with the cast bullets I sweated over last weekend. After I put the BP away I spotted some primed 45-70 cases and decided my BPCR shouldn't get to have all the fun. I'll be testing some new jacketed bullets in my Guide Gun tomorrow, might as well run some cast bullets through it too. Loaded up some mild 2400 loads (30 grains) just to see how they'll do. Never fired cast bullets in this rifle, should be able to push them a bit faster if needed. Guess some other powders could be better, been thinking about 5744, any other favorites for light-medium loads under cast bullets? Can't wait for Lyman's new cast bullet handbook to come out, need another loading manual. __________________ Life Member NRA, TSRA Smokeless powder is a passing fad! -Steve Garbe I hate rude behavior in a man. I won't tolerate it. -Woodrow F. Call Lonesome Dove My favorite recipes start out with a handful of used wheelweights. Last edited by Shane Tuttle; July 24, 2010 at 08:50 PM.

July 24, 2010, 10:05 PM	#4
TXGunNut Senior Member Join Date: January 16, 2010 Location: If you have to ask... Posts: 2,797	Thanks, Edward. I use RL7 in my jacketed bullets, didn't see it listed for cast. I use the 405 grn 457193 Lyman and I'm working on a hunting load for it, maybe two! I started using RL7 many years ago with .35 Remington. Been awhile, price tag says $12.50. Was looking at the #3 manual from Midway and they listed a 4th Edition with a "coming soon" status, salvadore. __________________ Life Member NRA, TSRA Smokeless powder is a passing fad! -Steve Garbe I hate rude behavior in a man. I won't tolerate it. -Woodrow F. Call Lonesome Dove My favorite recipes start out with a handful of used wheelweights.

July 24, 2010, 10:18 PM	#5
TXGunNut Senior Member Join Date: January 16, 2010 Location: If you have to ask... Posts: 2,797	I give up, Edward. Care to share a starting load for RL7 and a 405gr cast bullet? __________________ Life Member NRA, TSRA Smokeless powder is a passing fad! -Steve Garbe I hate rude behavior in a man. I won't tolerate it. -Woodrow F. Call Lonesome Dove My favorite recipes start out with a handful of used wheelweights.

July 25, 2010, 01:01 PM	#6
Edward429451 Senior Member Join Date: November 12, 2000 Location: Colorado Springs, Colorado Posts: 9,457	41.0 gr of RL7 should be a good starting load for a 405 __________________ "Always place your clothes and weapons where you can find them in the dark" Lazarus Long "Understand that the enemy is not the enemy in his own eyes ;this may offer you an opportunity to make him your friend. If not, you can kill him without hate, and quickly." Lazarus Long

July 25, 2010, 11:25 PM	#7
TXGunNut Senior Member Join Date: January 16, 2010 Location: If you have to ask... Posts: 2,797	Thanks. Sounds good. My 325 grn 2000fps load is 48 grains so that makes sense. __________________ Life Member NRA, TSRA Smokeless powder is a passing fad! -Steve Garbe I hate rude behavior in a man. I won't tolerate it. -Woodrow F. Call Lonesome Dove My favorite recipes start out with a handful of used wheelweights.

July 24, 2010, 09:30 PM	#2
salvadore Senior Member Join Date: January 1, 2007 Posts: 1,366	Lyman is going to publish a new cast bullet hand book? Who tolja?

July 24, 2010, 09:54 PM	#3
Edward429451 Senior Member Join Date: November 12, 2000 Location: Colorado Springs, Colorado Posts: 9,457	Cast bullets for the Guide Gun? Lyman makes a real good 400 gr FP mould that my GG really likes and accounted for a mule deer. My GG leaded until I started sizing at .460 and now life is good. Reloader 7 is the powder that you will want to use. RL7 makes any cast bullet shoot good in 45/70. __________________ "Always place your clothes and weapons where you can find them in the dark" Lazarus Long "Understand that the enemy is not the enemy in his own eyes ;this may offer you an opportunity to make him your friend. If not, you can kill him without hate, and quickly." Lazarus Long

August 13, 2010, 10:27 PM	#8
coachseeley Member Join Date: August 11, 2010 Posts: 19	45-70 cast Anyone have any recipes for 45-70 cast with IMR4198? I'd like to stay around 300-350 gr. if possible. TX, how do you like that 325gr. mould?

August 13, 2010, 11:06 PM	#9
TXGunNut Senior Member Join Date: January 16, 2010 Location: If you have to ask... Posts: 2,797	325 gr is the Hornady FTX jacketed bullet, same as loaded in their LeverEvolution load. Whole 'nuther subject but I like it, rifle likes it. I've only cast & loaded the 457193 405 gr bullet so far. __________________ Life Member NRA, TSRA Smokeless powder is a passing fad! -Steve Garbe I hate rude behavior in a man. I won't tolerate it. -Woodrow F. Call Lonesome Dove My favorite recipes start out with a handful of used wheelweights.