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Old July 19, 2010, 04:05 PM   #1
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This may be a dumb question but....

Why are so many gun consumers concerned with products being "Made in the USA?" Aside from the fact that American made products might be of higher quality, why is everyone concerned with whether a gun or gun part is American Made? Is it a pride thing? Do other countries make inferior products in general when it comes to the firearms industry?

Sorry if this is a stupid question, but I'm new to this industry and I'm hearing this "made in the USA" comment all the time.
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Old July 19, 2010, 04:08 PM   #2
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I dont worry about that part myself... my howa says made in japan... it sure shoots my deer nicely every year, with no problems.

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Old July 19, 2010, 04:14 PM   #3
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Do other countries make inferior products in general when it comes to the firearms industry?

No. Other countries are quite adept at making good firearms.

For me, it mostly has to do with keeping Americans working. Sure, a top-quality, made-in-Croatia XD helps a gun shop and its employees, and is a blast to own, but American-made arms keep skilled blue-collar workers at work right here in America AND keeps the gun shop employees busy.

It's not a requirement that guns I buy be American-made, but it's certainly a factor in the decision-making process.
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Old July 19, 2010, 04:16 PM   #4
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that's what I was thinking, Rich. I was thinking it was an issue of American jobs and people were asking that question as a matter of principal
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Old July 19, 2010, 04:26 PM   #5
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Well, honestly, made in the USA weapons are simply not that great. Look at Smith&Wesson, Ruger or Colt. Is any law enforcement agency running to get their hands on one of those? I believe most agencies want and desire German made handguns and rifles like HK, Sig, or Glock. You can store your HKS, Sigs and Glocks in a dirt ditch where as anything made by Smith&Wesson, Colkt or Ruger needs to be cleaned each and every time and stored in a temperature controlled safe to make work properly. In regards to rifles, HK has proven itself time and time again in rigorous tests, but was never chosen because of cost and other seemingly minor technicalities although it was the better rifle. The only reason Glock was not chosen as the US military's pistol is because they would not license the manufacturer of their weapons to other companies as the DoD required.

I love my Glocks as they dont have to be cleaned which is such an intensive task. Im sure most here would wholeheartedly agree.
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Old July 19, 2010, 04:36 PM   #6
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The Feds once had a 'Buy American Act' in effect. However the factories rather than be updated and overhauled, were built new in China and India. The workers then went and trained the locals in doing their jobs. It was not long before finding something 100% made in America was impossible. I doubt that items assembled in America are really 100% made in America any longer The best one can get it seems to me is the materials and componets imported and assembled in America. This is tough and seems to be getting tougher.
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Old July 19, 2010, 04:37 PM   #7
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Look at Smith&Wesson, Ruger or Colt. Is any law enforcement agency running to get their hands on one of those? I
Yes they are running to the M&P in large numbers. They also use remington 870 and 700 products alot.

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You can store your HKS, Sigs and Glocks in a dirt ditch where as anything made by Smith&Wesson, Colkt or Ruger needs to be cleaned each and every time and stored in a temperature controlled safe to make work properly.
I love my Glocks.....I'm a koolaid Glock fan but this is so very wrong.

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The only reason Glock was not chosen as the US military's pistol is because they would not license the manufacturer of their weapons to other companies as the DoD required.
I always thought it was the fact that the Government required an external safety.
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Old July 19, 2010, 04:40 PM   #8
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My reason for buying American would be to keep Americans working and keep the money in this country. My fighting firearms however are selected exclusively from what works best for me. Thankfully most are made in America by Americans.
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Old July 19, 2010, 04:49 PM   #9
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I have to disagree with usaign regarding weapons hygiene. I can point to people who clean their guns only every few weeks due to the volume of fire they put through them. Their S&W's, Rugers and Colts seem to keep working just fine. They don't seem to rust any faster, encounter failures or turn into pumpkins at midnight if they're not cleaned. Much of that is due to modern ammo being less corrosive than in previous generations.

As to Made in America guns...
Part of it is national pride, of course. Mostly to me it's the jobs. Not only the jobs of the factory workers who produce the guns, but of the ripples of those jobs. That employed factory worker spends a good portion of his money locally. At the deli for lunch, the dry cleaners, appliance stores, etc. This helps support local businesses, many of whom order materials from other American companies.

There can be other reasons too. Some suggest that if you own foreign made guns, a future political shift in either country could cause the supply of spare parts to dry up. Some don't want to spend their money supporting workers in socialist or communist countries.
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Old July 19, 2010, 04:58 PM   #10
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The Feds once had a 'Buy American Act' in effect. However the factories rather than be updated and overhauled, were built new in China and India. The workers then went and trained the locals in doing their jobs. It was not long before finding something 100% made in America was impossible. I doubt that items assembled in America are really 100% made in America any longer The best one can get it seems to me is the materials and componets imported and assembled in America. This is tough and seems to be getting tougher.
This seems to be less true in the firearms industry than in others. One does not see many "Made in China" 1911 beavertails or triggers, nor does one see many sights, or small parts for S&W, Colt or Ruger being purchased offshore for assembly here.

In fact, AFAIK, S&W manufactures all of its parts in America on its own, with the exception of certain desireable "brand-name" items like Novak night sights or Hogue grips. Unless you count the origins of the ores used in making the metals (Scandium comes from Russia/Ukraine at something like $7k/lb).

Some companies like Springfield contract with overseas suppliers to supply forgings or parts to be assembled in the USA. Beretta has an American plant per DOD requirements. Some Glocks are assembled in the USA too.
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Old July 19, 2010, 05:03 PM   #11
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I have to disagree with you guys. Fortunately, us Glock owners have the Youtube videos backing up our claims of superiority. Lets see you do this with a 1911.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeZtdfrbBds

I have never seen anyone drag anything from Colt or Smith&Wesson behind a car, thrown out of a plane, run over by the car, hit with sledgehammers, set on fire or sand blasted.
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Old July 19, 2010, 05:06 PM   #12
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This may be a dumb question but....
Why are so many gun consumers concerned with products being "Made in the USA?" Aside from the fact that American made products might be of higher quality, why is everyone concerned with whether a gun or gun part is American Made? Is it a pride thing?
Try this for an answer:

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My reason for buying American would be to keep Americans working and keep the money in this country.
Or this:
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Mostly to me it's the jobs. Not only the jobs of the factory workers who produce the guns, but of the ripples of those jobs. That employed factory worker spends a good portion of his money locally. At the deli for lunch, the dry cleaners, appliance stores, etc. This helps support local businesses, many of whom order materials from other American companies.
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Some suggest that if you own foreign made guns, a future political shift in either country could cause the supply of spare parts to dry up. Some don't want to spend their money supporting workers in socialist or communist countries.
Now, we cannot always buy American. A shirt made in this country would cost many times what you no pay for it. There are no American cameras, televisions, etc. any more.

However, in some areas you do have a choice--so far. But if enough people buy Toyotas or Hondas over Fords or Malibus, there will be no more Fords or Malibus.

We do have choice with firearms.
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My fighting firearms however are selected exclusively from what works best for me. Thankfully most are made in America by Americans.
Same goes for me. My M&P Compact and J-Frames, and my Texas-made 1911, do just fine. In fact, I happen to really prefer them to any of the competitors made abroad.

Yeah, I'd take a Beretta, made either in Italy or here, but it doesn't really meet my needs.
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Old July 19, 2010, 05:25 PM   #13
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I have to disagree with you guys. Fortunately, us Glock owners have the Youtube videos backing up our claims of superiority. Lets see you do this with a 1911.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeZtdfrbBds

I have never seen anyone drag anything from Colt or Smith&Wesson behind a car, thrown out of a plane, run over by the car, hit with sledgehammers, set on fire or sand blasted.
I have tested guns from smith, colt, and ruger in some nasty environments. You can disagree all you want but the S&W M&P is a virtual clone of the Glock and would pass any test that Glock will. They are eating into Glocks stronghold in police sales enough for Gaston Glock to make some changes to continue to compete.

Glocks are the very best IMO however a few others are right there withem.
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Old July 19, 2010, 05:31 PM   #14
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When it comes to handguns, I think some of the finest are still made right here in the USA.

1. No other country that I know of produces finer quality 1911's than are produced in the US. Wilson Combat; Les Baer; Ed Brown; STI; Colt and others.

2. Your Sig handguns are made in Exeter New Hampshire.

3. Smith & Wesson makes some very fine guns - US made.

4. Colt makes some excelent revolvers, and so does Ruger.

5. Many many well made AR15's made in the US.

6. Remington makes some good solid rifles....so does Dakota Arms.

There are just so many American gun manufacturers, custom and production because there are so many American gun owners and enthusiests.

But, that doesn't mean that I don't love guns from other countries too:

For Shotguns, nothing beats a fine Italian.....but Belgium and Japan make some beauties too.

For hunting rifles - Germany's Blaser is outstanding....and expensive.

Switzerland is known for their Sphinx, Sigs, and some fine rifles.

The Czecks make a fine CZ75

Lots of good firearms and firearms makers out there - many of which are not in the USA. Still, many are.
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Old July 19, 2010, 05:35 PM   #15
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I have to disagree with you guys. Fortunately, us Glock owners have the Youtube videos backing up our claims of superiority. Lets see you do this with a 1911.
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I have never seen anyone drag anything from Colt or Smith&Wesson behind a car, thrown out of a plane, run over by the car, hit with sledgehammers, set on fire or sand blasted.
Unless I'm missing something, no one is making a claim that you can disagree with. So far all of the responses seem to be that job-preservation is the primary factor. No one claimed that Glock - or any other foreign brand - is inferior.

A bit of a complex there, Glockboy?
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Old July 20, 2010, 05:29 AM   #16
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Sorry if this is a stupid question, but I'm new to this industry, and I'm hearing this "made in the USA" comment all the time.
So, what gun industry do you work for? I'm curious how old are you?
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Old July 20, 2010, 05:36 AM   #17
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" believe most agencies want and desire German made handguns and rifles like HK, Sig, or Glock"

None of the guns you mentioned are made in Germany. And your bit about Rugers and Smiths is way off.
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Old July 20, 2010, 06:40 AM   #18
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I like to buy American when possible because after all, it's where I live and work. Secondly, I believe that the American arms makers produce some of the best made firearms in the world. That doesn't mean I wouldn't by a gun made elsewhere, but my first choice always leans to American produced guns.
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Old July 20, 2010, 06:54 AM   #19
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It has to do with shop and buy locally...

no different than why you should by from the small gun shop instead of wally world or another big box store.... more of your money stays in your local economy.

I'd buy the guns made here in Columbia S.C. but the government won't let me... they want them all for themselves.
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Old July 20, 2010, 06:55 AM   #20
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For me it is simply an American pride factor.
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Old July 20, 2010, 07:12 AM   #21
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If you work for Sears would you buy at Penney’s?
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Old July 20, 2010, 08:06 AM   #22
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anything made by Smith&Wesson, Colkt or Ruger needs to be cleaned each and every time and stored in a temperature controlled safe to make work properly.
How old are you? Probably half the age of my stainless Smith and Wesson 659 which has over 10,000 rounds through it and still looks just about new.



There are many Smith & Wesson autos (as well as revolvers) that are proven excelent service weapons. Colt also makes some excelent guns that work just fine with minimal maintenance. FWIW, Stainless steel isn't any more prone to rusting than Glock's steel parts. You really have no idea what you are talking about.

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The only reason Glock was not chosen as the US military's pistol is because they would not license the manufacturer of their weapons to other companies as the DoD required.
Might also have something to do with 1) Trigger Dingus; 2) Kabooms due to unsuported chamber 3) lack of second strike capability; 4) lack of da/sa format; or 5) too many youtube videos showing cops shooting their own legs with their Glocks.
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Old July 20, 2010, 08:11 AM   #23
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If you work for Sears would you buy at Penney’s?
If Penny's had better stuff, I would. About 20 years ago I worked at Ponderosa, do you think I ate all my meals there?



This made in America question is not as simple as it used to be. It used to be that if a company was "American" then it's products were made in America and if the company was "foreign", so was it's production.

This is no longer true.
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Old July 20, 2010, 09:32 AM   #24
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It's simple really

I try to buy American whenever possible.
I own a business in America, so I support other American companies. In turn they support mine.
If we as Americans won't support each other, who will?
I don't have any foreign kids to put through college, I have an American one...

What really burns my ass is:
American flag stickers on Jap cars. If you can't support your own damn country in our biggest industry enough to buy from from the U.S.A, should those people really waste the money on a sticker to fly the colors?
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What really burns my ass is:
American flag stickers on Jap cars. If you can't support your own damn country in our biggest industry enough to buy from from the U.S.A, should those people really waste the money on a sticker to fly the colors?
Actually, cars are a good example of my point.

If you want to keep the most jobs and the most money in America, do you buy:

1)Ford
2)GM
3)Hyundai

The answer, is Hyundai.


Just because it's "American" doesn't mean it's REALLY American, and "foreign" doesn't mean it's NOT American.
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