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Old July 27, 2012, 08:46 AM   #101
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However, are there not USSC Rulings on treaties that say they can not over ride the U.S Constitution?
Yes, though as I noted earlier in the thread, currently there are 3 Supreme Court Justices who have indicated they would ignore the precedent of Heller and rule that there is no individual right to firearms at all. The fourth Justice likely leans that way. At least two of the Justices who voted for an individual right will be over 80 before 2016. I would like to see a couple of 6-3 or 7-2 pro-RKBA decisions from SCOTUS before I felt too comfortable relying on the Supreme Court to save us.

Luckily, there is zero chance this treaty gets ratified anytime soon. Even if you let the antis pick new Senators, it would still take them several elections to have the numbers necessary (assuming the Senators who signed the NRA letter remain true to their word - always a dangerous assumption when dealing with politicians).
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Old July 27, 2012, 04:59 PM   #102
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CCRKBA is reporting that the United States has declined to sign the UN Arms Trade Treaty: http://www.prnewswire.com/news-relea...164023876.html
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Old July 27, 2012, 06:24 PM   #103
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Confirmed by the AP/ABC News: "U.N. member states have failed to reach agreement on a new treaty to regulate the multibillion dollar global arms trade."
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Old July 28, 2012, 07:36 AM   #104
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Reading this:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/s...aty/56546258/1

It seems they ended talks until after the election.
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Old July 28, 2012, 08:49 AM   #105
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They were unable to reach a concensus by the required deadline. Any of the draft treaties can still be offered in the General Assembly where they may be adopted by a 2/3 vote.
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Old July 30, 2012, 11:59 AM   #106
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Mexico says:

http://www.defensenews.com/article/2...text|FRONTPAGE
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Old July 30, 2012, 12:38 PM   #107
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Regarding Mexico's conclusions, that seems like a fair point to me. It looks like the current Administration's actions did contribute to an unsuccessful conclusion to the conference. Which makes me wonder why the current Administration bothered to reverse the policy of the previous Administration at all.
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Old July 30, 2012, 02:21 PM   #108
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Which makes me wonder why the current Administration bothered to reverse the policy of the previous Administration at all.
Posturing - there is some PR benefit to publicly voicing support for what others believe is a 'good cause' rather than being forthright and saying you oppose it.

Whether an Administration voices official support or opposition to an arms trade treaty, the US government will not join in any treaty that substantially endangers "the estimated $70 billion of international trade in conventional weapons each year."
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Old September 21, 2012, 07:21 AM   #109
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Apparently this treaty was adopted a couple days ago.

http://freedomoutpost.com/2012/09/un...#ixzz271laZ0s9

http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs//2012/dc3389.doc.htm
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Old September 21, 2012, 08:01 AM   #110
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No, the treaty was not adopted. On September 7, the UN agreed to a "consensus document" - which is basically just a plan to keep talking about the treaty. I think the next meeting was scheduled in 2014.
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