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Old May 17, 2010, 02:39 PM   #1
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Wolf .223 Accuracy

What sort of groups can I expect out of wolf ammo at 100 yards shooting an AR.
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Old May 17, 2010, 02:49 PM   #2
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I shoot wolf sometimes out of my Bushmaster and can get 1.5'' groups! So nothing great but not as bad as some people will claim. Real dirty stuff make sure and clean your rifle often when shooting it.
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Old May 17, 2010, 02:54 PM   #3
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3MOA is what I have experienced out of a 16" Stag M4 copy
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Old May 17, 2010, 02:55 PM   #4
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wolf or even brown bear are as accurate as any comparable mil-spec ball ammo.
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Old May 17, 2010, 05:54 PM   #5
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I actually like the accuracy of the silver bear or brown bear over the wolf stuff!
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Old May 17, 2010, 06:08 PM   #6
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Origins??

Wolf and Brown Bear are both former Warsaw Pact factories that started making NATO ammo so they could use our guns to fight us once the EVIL capitalist's invaded Right?

Country of Origin for both?

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Old May 17, 2010, 06:34 PM   #7
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Your thinkin to much in the past! In todays world who knows where comes from what and why spend $200 more for a thousand rounds for shooting at cans? who cares where the ammo came from they are not fighting us now!
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Old May 17, 2010, 07:37 PM   #8
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Yes

Well aware, simple Questions my friend but no answers?
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Old May 17, 2010, 08:44 PM   #9
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i personally think its all junk. i dont even use wolf in my mosin nagants. to each thier own.
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Old May 17, 2010, 08:52 PM   #10
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Thanks Bama.
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Old May 17, 2010, 09:41 PM   #11
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I see about 3 MOA in my M&P 15....once in a while a flyer will open that up by an inch or more. I won't complain because of the price.
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Old May 18, 2010, 12:22 AM   #12
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To my knowledge, Wolf, Brown Bear and Silver Bear are all Russian brands, steel case. Wolf Gold is brass from Prvi Partizan in the former Yugoslavia.
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Old May 18, 2010, 03:01 AM   #13
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Wolf is a Russian ammo company. They make their ammo in the same factory that Russian military ammo has been made in since before WWI. They started making non Warsaw pact caliber ammo because they want foreign currency. It's not a nafarious plan.

The only problem I've ever had with wolf ammo (besides them using dirty powders) has been from hard primers. That was only a problem with striker fired civilian pistols. In military style pistols the hard primers prevent slam fires so it's actually a plus.

I wouldn't say it's as accurate as milspec USGI ammo though. The powders they use have different burn rates than NATO standard so that can effect function in semiautos.

You also have to be careful about bullet weights, I've only recently seen 62 gr wolf 5.56 ammo, and mixing 55 gr and 62 gr bullets will definately affect POI.

Because of the AR's direct gas impingement design, I don't like to shoot much wolf through any of mine, but what I have shot functioned fine.

To say that you don't trust ammo made by the same people in the same factory as the ammo the Mosin was designed for is silly.
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Old May 18, 2010, 03:11 AM   #14
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Quote:
Wolf is a Russian ammo company.
True. Former Tula Arsenal.

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They make their ammo in the same factory that Russian military ammo has been made in since before WWI.
False. In addition to ammunition of their own manufacture, they outsource from Privi Partizan, Novosibirsk, Ulyanovsk, and possibly many other sources we don't even know about. The Ulyanovsk 7.62x39 is pretty crummy, just for example.

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They started making non Warsaw pact caliber ammo because they want foreign currency.
Absent access to their business plan, we can only speculate. I agree that this is by far the most likely explanation.
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Old May 18, 2010, 01:29 PM   #15
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i would not doubt chinese origin for components
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Old May 18, 2010, 01:44 PM   #16
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In my AR, and also in my .223 AK, Wolf is the least accurate ammo I have tried. About 4" groups in the AK, and about 3" groups in the AR. This is the polymer (gray) cased Wolf.

Their powder smoke smells like ammonia, too.
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Old May 18, 2010, 04:00 PM   #17
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Thank you all

I would not be surprised if twenty years ago was a devious plan. Thank you for the LLd's and info: Summary, not bad but not up to "usually" expected standards and stinky, ha ha.

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Old May 18, 2010, 06:56 PM   #18
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Groups with Wolf Steel case:

Out of a Colt HBAR, 2 Mini-14's, and 2 bolt actions, it got 5-6" groups.

From a Bushmaster AR15 heavy barrel, it got 2.75"....

1 out of 6 guns groups "okay" with it? I ain't impressed.

I'm shooting the 500 rounds I have left....And probably won't purchase more.

Which is ironic....My AK shoots 7.63X39 into 3", and their .40/.45 ammo both go under 3" at 25 yards.....

With Wolf Gold 75 grain match ammo(brass cased). I got under 1" (Closer to 3/4) at 100 yards with a AR15.
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Old May 18, 2010, 07:08 PM   #19
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...try the wolf gold... will do
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Old May 18, 2010, 07:25 PM   #20
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Good for plinking, but your expectations shouldn't be very high
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