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Old May 15, 2010, 05:40 PM   #1
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Photo wanted of USMC holster for Model 1909 Colt revolver

I'd like to see a photo of the holster if you have one, or if you don't, can you direct me to a website where I could see a photo of one?

What I'm wondering is whether the holsters the Marines used for their for M 1909 Colt revolvers were made from canvas (or some canvas-like fabric) or from leather? Maybe there were both kinds made? If you don't have a photo, but do know the answer to that question, I'd sure like to know.
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Old May 15, 2010, 05:47 PM   #2
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Go to Pacific Canvas, and leather website. They carry some real nice replica's.
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Old May 15, 2010, 06:07 PM   #3
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The US never made much, if any use of canvas holsters.
All I've seen were leather.

The pictures I've seen of 1900's Marines armed with revolvers showed them wearing a holster that looked like the Model 1881-1917 holster.

As above, PC&L have fair quality replicas:

http://pacificcanvasandleather.com/index.html

Simpson Ldt shows a picture of an original 1909 holster:

http://www.simpsonltd.com/product_in...ducts_id=13405

It sounds like the 1881 holster for the Colt Single Action Army was modified at the arsenal for use with the 1909.
Since the 1909 was intended to be a stop-gap until the 1911 .45 auto was ready, they didn't bother to design a new holster and just used the 1881.
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Old May 16, 2010, 12:04 PM   #4
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Thank You to Glen Dee and Dfaris wheel for your replies. Thanks too for the hyperlink Dfariswheel. The 1909 holster in the hyperlink looks just like my 1942 Textan holster that was made to fit a M 1917 Army revolver. Its just a little darker than mine. Also it looks like a lefthanders instead of a righty , or is that just a reverse camera image? Also notice how the holster would hang off a belt loop with the handle angled back. Mine is like that too which makes me think these holsters were intended to be carried in a crossdraw position. Anybody know?
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Old May 16, 2010, 12:25 PM   #5
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Hi,
I found this:



Here:


http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/foru...15&mode=linear

[/url]http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=60915&mode=linear[/url]
(I intentionally "de-linked" the second, so you could see the full address)

Hope that is of some use to you...
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Old May 16, 2010, 01:28 PM   #6
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Since the Model 1909 and the Model 1917 were basically the same gun, the Colt New Service, the same holster was used. The Model 1909 holster was issued through WWII for use with the Model 1917 revolvers (S&W and Colt), along with the M2 and M4 holsters. The last two were the same as the Model 1909 holster except adapted to be worn on the right side, butt to the rear. The Model 1909 holster was made to be worn on the left side; in 1909, the horse cavalry still was the biggest user of handguns, and they considered their primary weapon to be the saber ("it don't run dry", as one old trooper said), with the pistol as backup.

The Model 1909 was, in one sense, adopted as a "stop gap", but on the other hand the .38 revolver was clearly lacking, and no one knew for sure when or even if an automatic pistol would be adopted. So the military treated it as THE service revolver, even making special ammunition and holsters for it. It is rarely noticed that during those famous tests leading up to the adoption of the M1911, a Model 1909 was used as a control and went round for round with the Colt and Savage pistols. As we know, the Savage guns had failures, the Colts far fewer. But the revolver had NONE, except for two cartridges that turned out to be defective.

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Old May 16, 2010, 04:19 PM   #7
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Jim, toocooltoolz photo shows the 1909 Colt with smooth wood handgrips. It looks very much like a M 1917 Colt. Apparently these guns were very similar and would all fit into the same holsters. The canvas pistol belt in the 1909 photo is pretty nearly the same color of the one I remember from the auction at Blackstone, Va. about 20-25 years ago (that pistol belt had a canvas holster attached of the same color as the belt.) In those days I didn't realize how closely alike the 1909 Colt, the 1917 Colt and the 1917 S&W were. I had a 1917 S&W (1937 Brazillian contract version) but hadn't owned it long when I saw what I believed was the same gun only in much better condition than mine. I bid on it and lost. I'm pretty sure now that I either just misidentified a 1909 Colt in the photo as a M1917 S&W or either what I saw in Blackstone was in fact a M1917 S&W in a canvas Marine Corps pistol holster and belt made for a Colt 1909.

Thanks for the photo toocool.
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Old May 16, 2010, 06:40 PM   #8
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The Colt 1909 and the Colt 1917 WERE the same gun.
Both were nothing more than the Colt large frame New Service revolver.

The only difference between them was the 1909 was chambered for the .45 Colt cartridge and the 1917 was built to use the .45 ACP cartridge with half-moon clips.
Other than that, the guns are the same.

Back in those days, all US issue revolvers had smooth walnut grips. This started with the first US issue Colt Dragoon revolvers in the 1840's and continued right up to the WWII S&W Victory model revolvers.

As for the holsters, starting in the 1840's most revolvers were used by the Cavalry and they still considered the saber to be the primary weapon.
The holsters were made to be worn on the RIGHT side, butt forward.
This was so the user could hold his saber in his right hand, and if needed, draw the revolver with his left hand.
To draw with the right hand, the user just griped the butt in a reverse draw.

This held for the cavalry until the Model 1912 Mounted (Cavalry) hip holster for the 1911 auto. Even the cavalry finally understood that no one in his right mind was going to use a saber when he had an automatic pistol and a 1903 rifle.
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Old May 17, 2010, 02:08 PM   #9
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There was one minor difference in the appearance of the 1909 Colt and the 1917 Colt. They had different front sights. The 1909 Colt front sight looked something like a curved sharks fin and the 1917 Colt had a half nickel sight.
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Old May 17, 2010, 06:49 PM   #10
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They had different front sights. The 1909 Colt front sight looked something like a curved sharks fin and the 1917 Colt had a half nickel sight.

Better take another look. Colt used the same "fin" sight on both.
The S&W Model 1917 had a half-moon front sight.
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Old May 17, 2010, 07:02 PM   #11
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OOPs. You're absolutely correct dfariswheel. My mistake.
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