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Old May 2, 2010, 11:57 AM   #1
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another "Who made the pistola" thread

OK I was at a gunshow over the weekend & had an opportunity at a great offer, maybe.
Someone, somewhere stripped down a .44 percussion replica, we think with the intentions of defarbing it for re-enacting. Unfortunately after removing all finish & markings he can't figure out how to put it back together, so he sold it stripped, markless & in a baggie.

I've been offered this whatever replica of a '58 Remington for a song, but it comes as-is. so how can I tell, or can I tell who made it?

My '58 remmy is an Uberti, this one has a few subtle differences. The front sight seems to be screwed, or press fitted to the barrel, mine is a dovetail, for example.

So do I buy & pray. Mod to fit, or just pass??? (If I can only rescue the cylinder & have it as a spare I'll break slightly ahead of the deal.)
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Old May 2, 2010, 12:19 PM   #2
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Buy, Buy!!
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Old May 2, 2010, 01:53 PM   #3
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If it's cheap enough I'd but it and not care who made it. Wouldn't count on the cylinder fitting your Uberti tho.
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Old May 2, 2010, 02:48 PM   #4
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Unless you have a really good plan, Pass. You'll just wind up with a baggie full of junk.
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Old May 2, 2010, 02:51 PM   #5
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Unless you have a really good plan, Pass. You'll just wind up with a baggie full of junk.

Says who?
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Old May 2, 2010, 03:17 PM   #6
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Well, that's really definitive, thanks guys!
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Old May 2, 2010, 04:56 PM   #7
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I've been offered this whatever replica of a '58 Remington for a song, but it comes as-is. so how can I tell, or can I tell who made it?
Who cares, buy it, put it together and shoot it.
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Old May 2, 2010, 04:58 PM   #8
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What's a great offer for a bag of gun parts? $25? $100?

Kind of hard to give advice without knowing what the "great offer" is.

It sounds suspiciously like somebody tried to create an "antique" to rip off the unwary, and then gave up.

If it's cheap enough, why not buy it and finish the job - not to rip anybody off, but just to have an authentic looking replica for yourself.
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Old May 2, 2010, 05:20 PM   #9
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It sounds suspiciously like somebody tried to create an "antique" to rip off the unwary, and then gave up.
People have their own reasons for defarbing and not all of them are dishonest.
I've done it. Still own the gun too. It's not for sale either
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Old May 3, 2010, 08:07 AM   #10
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$50.00 with what seems to be a complete parts set minus nipples.
It also comes with a spare set of faux ivory grips that look like they may fit my Uberti also.
I was thinking if the parts either fit, or can be tweaked to fit that it would be worth the price for the spare cylinder, a spares kit & the grips. I had no intention of building it up for any reason, that was why the attempt at ID was important to me.
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Old May 3, 2010, 08:23 AM   #11
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$50.00 with what seems to be a complete parts set minus nipples.
It also comes with a spare set of faux ivory grips that look like they may fit my Uberti also.
I was thinking if the parts either fit, or can be tweaked to fit that it would be worth the price for the spare cylinder, a spares kit & the grips. I had no intention of building it up for any reason, that was why the attempt at ID was important to me.
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It sounds suspiciously like somebody tried to create an "antique" to rip off the unwary, and then gave up.

People have their own reasons for defarbing and not all of them are dishonest.
I've done it. Still own the gun too. It's not for sale either
Right on Hawg, a defarbed Italian replica is still obviously an Italian revolver. I have defarbed several to make them look better to MY eye. They sure would not fool anyone with any knowledge of the originals.

I can't recall anyone defrabing a revolver and attempting to pass it off as an original. People with that skill set and tooling have better things to do with their time. I have seen people buy a defrabed revolver and then try and pass it off as an original, but they would not know an original if it bit them.
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Old May 3, 2010, 08:45 AM   #12
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I was thinking if the parts either fit, or can be tweaked to fit that it would be worth the price for the spare cylinder, a spares kit & the grips
Unless the gun is a Uberti it's doubtful the cylinder will fit. The grips will have to be fitted. Grips on all Italian clones are fitted before final finish so grips fitted to one revolver probably wont fit another revolver of same make. Internal parts will be touch and go also. If you're just wanting it for spares let it go.
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Old May 3, 2010, 12:26 PM   #13
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Right on Hawg, a defarbed Italian replica is still obviously an Italian revolver. I have defarbed several to make them look better to MY eye. They sure would not fool anyone with any knowledge of the originals.
Saw an Antiques Roadshow a while back where some poor schmuck had bought several fake Confederate revolvers for some crazy amount of money. The big money is in Confederate revolvers, most of which were copies of Colts made in little more than blacksmith shops, so they don't look right anyway - easier to fool a buyer even if he a little knowledge. They're worth 10X what a Colt would be worth.
It's the same with swords - they imported a lot of English and French swords and then just re-stamped them CSA, or with various unit or state markings. Pretty easy to fake with a genuine period English sword you can pick up for a few hundred dollars. A CSA sword is worth 10k and up.

I'm sure you're right though, that most "antiqued" weapons are made by reenactors or people who just want a stylish looking "old" revolver.
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