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Old April 27, 2010, 02:14 PM   #1
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fast burning powders for use in 9mm minor

when looking for a powder for your desired load you want these things of course:

1. low smoke emission
2. low muzzle flash
3. clean burning
4. small charge required allowing for lots of loaded cartridges per pound of powder
5. maximal bullet velocity/ minimal felt recoil
6. consistent operation: both in metering out the powder drop and also when propelling your bullets out the barrel


i have been doing some uspsa and idpa with an xdm9 and so far have tried out hs-6, unique, universal, bullseye and now ive tried some titegroup

as of now im pretty sure i like titegroup the best though the differences arent huge with most of these powders.


im not sure how readily i will be able to get titegroup powder but ive regularly seen some other powders at the store that i was curious about:

looking at this powder burn rate chart i would assume that most if all faster burning powders would work fine for 9mm minor....(?)

http://www.reloadbench.com/burn.html


tell me what you know about any of these powders listed below, if you have experience using them for 9mm minor or if you have any links that you might be able to provide me that might have data for these powders in 9mm minor.

TiteWad
Red Dot
accurate #2
Clays (Hodgdon)
WST (Winchester)


this is my setup at the moment and would more or less like to keep the same PF but other stuff i might change

xdm9 4.5'' barrel
124g round nose fmj (.590'')
1.12-1.125 col
4.3g Titegroup
1090fps avg./135pf


i really just want to get settled in and use the same stuff over and over and not change anything but you never know when your supply of something will not be there when you need it and then you will have to use something else.

thanks.
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Old April 27, 2010, 02:49 PM   #2
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I use Titegroup up to 124 and Blue DOT for 147.
Used in Sig 228, PPS, and BHP
Titegroup is more cost effective, and a great powder.
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Old April 27, 2010, 03:26 PM   #3
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Titewad is NOT recommended for handgun rounds. It's listed as solely for shotgun on the Hodgdon web-site.

I use a LOT of Clays in .40 S&W. Low charge weight, clean, little smoke with lead bullets. Came into it by accident but have been very pleased with it. It works good in 38 Special also.

I have a friend loading 4.5 grains of Universal with Berrys 124 grain plated bullets in his 9mm XDm. Incredibly accurate. Clean burning. Shoots to point of aim. Universal seems to be pretty available also.

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Old April 27, 2010, 04:02 PM   #4
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Titewad is NOT recommended for handgun rounds. It's listed as solely for shotgun on the Hodgdon web-site.
Is this a recent change? The 1Lb jug of Titegroup I have been working on for quite a few months has pistol loads on its label...

I use it for 9mm and .45acp.
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Old April 27, 2010, 04:10 PM   #5
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I have a friend loading 4.5 grains of Universal with Berrys 124 grain plated bullets in his 9mm XDm. Incredibly accurate. Clean burning. Shoots to point of aim. Universal seems to be pretty available also.
I agree with this - been using Universal for years after I once ran out of Unique. Also does a great job job 38 and 32 SWL
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Old April 27, 2010, 08:18 PM   #6
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Dave R,


TiteWAD is not TiteGROUP. Big difference.

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Old April 27, 2010, 09:26 PM   #7
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Top 26 from fast to slow.

1. R-1 (Norma) 59.
2. N310 (Vihtavuori)
3. Titewad (Hodgdon)
4. AS- 30N (ADI)
5. Nitro 100 (Accurate)
6. Bullseye (Alliant)
7. Solo 1000 (Accurate)
8. Red Diamond (Scot)
9. AS (Vectan)
10. Red Dot (Alliant)
11. Promo (Alliant)
12. Titegroup (Hodgdon)
13. No. 2 (Accurate)
14. American Select
15. AA Plus (Winchester)
16. Clays (Hodgdon)
17. N320 (Vihtavuori)
18. Competition (Ramshot)
19. Royal D (Scot)
20. WST (Winchester)
21. AP- 50N (ADI)
22. HP38 (Hodgdon)
23. AO (Vectan)
24. 452AA (Winchester)
25. 453 (Scot)
26. 231 (Winchester)
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Old April 27, 2010, 09:28 PM   #8
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burn rates above are from.

http://www.reloadbench.com/burn.html
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Old April 28, 2010, 01:20 AM   #9
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burn rates above are from.

http://www.reloadbench.com/burn.html
im sorry but do people fully read OP's post? such as how i posted that exact same link which would indicate that i already looked at it..? duhhhh
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Old April 28, 2010, 05:19 AM   #10
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Clays and Universal Clays both work very well for minor. My preference is for Universal because it can't be double charged in a progressive press and it has a nice feel to the load.

Hodgdon naming is unfortunate though and is confusing.

Clays is ADI AS30N and Universal Clays is ADI AP70N.

Data can be found on the ADI website. www.adi-limited.com/handloaders-guide. They are a Thales group company that manufactures these powders in Australia.

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Old April 28, 2010, 08:54 AM   #11
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1. low smoke emission
2. low muzzle flash
3. clean burning
4. small charge required allowing for lots of loaded cartridges per pound of powder
5. maximal bullet velocity/ minimal felt recoil
6. consistent operation: both in metering out the powder drop and also when propelling your bullets out the barrel
If you change #5 to "meets PF and has the lowest percieved recoil", you don't have the correct powder choice in your list. What you want is 3.1gr of VV n310 with a berry's 147 loaded to 1.160".
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Old April 28, 2010, 10:07 AM   #12
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W231 comes to mind. Winchester has a new powder out called Auto Comp. Never had any luck with Unique metering worth a dam. Glad I used up the 8# keg. I personally have been using Titegroup.
Burn rate chart from Hodgdon's site
Listed From Fastest to Slowest:

1 Norma R1
2 Winchester WAALite 62 Accurate Arms 2015BR
3 VihtaVuori N310 63 VihtaVuori N130
4 Alliant e3 64 IMR, Co IMR3031
5 Hodgdon TITEWAD 65 Vihtavouri N133
6 Alliant Red Dot 66 Hodgdon BENCHMARK
7 Hodgdon CLAYS 67 Hodgdon H335
8 IMR, Co Hi-Skor 700-X 68 Accurate Arms 2230
9 Alliant Bullseye 69 Accurate Arms 2460s
10 Hodgdon TITEGROUP 70 IMR, Co IMR 8208 XBR
11 Alliant American Select 71 Hodgdon H4895
12 Accurate Arms Solo 1000 72 Vihtavouri N530
13 Alliant Green Dot 73 IMR, Co IMR 4895
14 Winchester WST 74 Vihtavouri N135
15 IMR, Co Trial Boss 75 Alliant Reloder 12
16 Winchester Super Handicap 76 IMR, Co IMR4320
17 Hodgdon INTERNATIONAL 77 Accurate Arms 2495BR
18 IMR, Co PB 78 IMR, Co IMR 4064
19 VihtaVuori N320 79 NORMA 202
20 Accurate Arms No. 2 80 Accurate Arms 2520
21 IMR, Co SR 7625 81 Alliant Reloder 15
22 Hodgdon HP-38 82 VihtaVuori N140
23 Winchester 231 83 Hodgdon VARGET
24 Alliant 20/28 84 Winchester 748
25 Alliant Unique 85 Hodgdon BL-C(2)
26 Hodgdon UNIVERSAL 86 Hodgdon H380
27 Alliant Power Pistol 87 IMR, Co IMR 4007 SSC
28 VihtaVuori N330 88 VihtaVuori N540
29 Alliant Herco 89 Winchester 760
30 Winchester WSF 90 Hodgdon H414
31 VihtaVuori N340 91 VihtaVuori N150
32 IMR, Co Hi-Skor 800-X 92 Accurate Arms 2700
33 IMR, Co SR4756 93 IMR, Co IMR4350
34 Accurate Arms No. 5 94 Hodgdon H4350
35 Hodgdon HS-6 95 Accurate Arms 4350
36 Winchester AutoComp 96 NORMA 204
37 VihtaVuori 3N37 97 Hodgdon HYBRID 100V
38 VihtaVuori N350 98 VihtaVuori N550
39 Hodgdon HS-7 99 Alliant Reloder 19
40 VihtaVuori 3N38 100 IMR, Co IMR4831
41 Alliant Blue Dot 101 Accurate Arms 3100
42 Accurate Arms No. 7 102 VihtaVuori N160
43 Hodgdon LONGSHOT 103 Hodgdon H4831 & H4831SC
44 Alliant 410 104 Winchester Supreme 780
45 Alliant 2400 105 NORMA MRP
46 Accurate Arms No. 9 106 Alliant Reloder 22
47 NORMA R123 107 VihtaVuori N560
48 VihtaVuori N110 108 VihtaVuori N165
49 Hodgdon LIL' GUN 109 IMR, Co IMR 7828
50 Hodgdon H110 110 VihtaVuori N170
51 Winchester 296 111 Hodgdon H1000
52 IMR, Co IMR 4227 112 Hodgdon RETUMBO
53 Hodgdon H4227 113 VihtaVuori N570
54 IMR, Co SR4759 114 Accurate Arms 8700
55 Accurate Arms 1680 115 Hodgdon H870
56 NORMA 200 116 VihtaVuori 24N41
57 Alliant Reloder 7 117 Hodgdon H50BMG
58 IMR, Co IMR 4198 118 Hodgdon US869
59 Hodgdon H4198 119 VihtaVuori 20N29
60 VihtaVuori N120
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Old April 28, 2010, 10:09 AM   #13
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231 is always my go-to choice.
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Old April 28, 2010, 06:52 PM   #14
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TiteGroup is my choice .... ( not TiteWAD ...) which as pointed out, is a very different powder ....
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Old April 29, 2010, 09:30 AM   #15
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Fast Burning Powders for 9mm

I've been using Red Dot with good success. 4-4.3 grains in a WIN case under a 115 grain FMJ with a CCI 500, 1.150"LOA. Works flawlessly in my M&P9c. Burns with minimal residue on the cases.
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