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Old April 17, 2010, 09:48 AM   #1
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pros and cons of a 6'' 1911

would a 6'' 1911 be a good carry gun or possibly a duty gun in .45acp would there be more recoil or less recoil, would the velocity be more or less, accuracy etc. if not i was thinking of porting the slide and the barrel and modify the rear sight notch to accept a doctor red dot and use a railed frame etc. Im thinking of using a Springfield GI.45 long slide for range play http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/V10_ports.jpg http://www.dlsports.com/signature_fi..._gun_large.jpg http://www.huntercustoms.com/images/mgun2red.jpg http://www.impactguns.com/store/medi...andgun_mnt.jpg

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Old April 17, 2010, 10:06 AM   #2
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Velocity should be high and recoil should be low. Assuming a steel framed gun a 6" 1911 should be a very soft shooting .45 . Accuracy should be outstanding, that long sight radius and heavy slide should make it a joy to shoot accurately. For carry...that's a big, heavy and looong gun to conceal. I'm sure it is being done but I couldn't do it. Plus that long slide is going to be more cumbersome "from the leather". Again, I'm sure it's being done so more power to you if you can carry a 6" 1911. Not me though.



Edit: I see you changed your post and took the 'carry" question out. For Range work that SA should do anything you could want and do it better than most. Great choice.....even though I still prefer a 4" gun
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Old April 17, 2010, 11:50 AM   #3
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In my opinion, a 6" gun would be great at the range or hunting but concealling it would be tough. Maybe during the winter when your wearing a big coat or possibly with a shoulder harness.
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Old April 18, 2010, 09:46 AM   #4
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tested

Velocity may increase (may not); accuracy may increase (may not); weight will increase; sight radius will increase; ease of drawing and/or holstering will decrease.

No advantange IME.

For a toy gun it doesn't matter; carry, though......
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Old April 18, 2010, 10:52 AM   #5
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I purchased a ported Springfield Armory V-16 Longslide 45ACP/SUPER for the range and hunting ONLY.... AWESOME Gun, accuracy is unreal. it is ported and does help with muzzle flip but for carrying NO WAY... it is way to heavy like carrying a BRICK under your arm,... as far as useing a Belt holster be prepared to pull up your pants every 30 seconds cause you can`t get the belt tight enough lol...

I purchased a G19 to carry

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Old April 18, 2010, 11:59 AM   #6
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If we are talking offensive vs Defensive guns gimme the long barrel any day.
I prefer 7 inch barrels. Why not ? All the 22 pistols are offered that
way and many even longer.

I like the HKS long barrel more than any modified 1911 I think.
Check that out sometime when at the gun store. HK Elite I think
they call it. But if I am going to the trouble, make mine 10mm as well.

For an outside the hip full duty holster carry, I dont really think an
extra inch is going to matter much nor for that matter the few
extra ounces. Shoulder rig might be a good idea though for a real
big pistol. My SW 10mm weighs 40 ounces and it doesnt bother
me on any kind of waist mounted holster.
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Old April 18, 2010, 12:02 PM   #7
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About Ports. KEEP EM AWAY!

Dont anyone forget that what you give up in recoil
you get three times over in extra SOUND BLAST
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Old April 18, 2010, 12:39 PM   #8
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Factor in too that they're just plain cool.
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Old April 18, 2010, 01:48 PM   #9
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Everybody's got an opinion...

and here's mine. Will a 6" 1911 work for a range gun, or duty gun? Sure. For CCW? Going to be more difficult to conceal than smaller guns.

Will it shoot softer? (less felt recoil), yep. Add a few ounces to any gun, and it damps felt recoil some. Accuracy? Depends on the individual gun, the ammo, and you. The longer barrel and sight radius has the potential to be more accurate than the standard model, but it doesn't always work out that way in real life.

More Velocity? Probably. But again, it depends on the specific barrel and ammo used. I have seen instances of shorter barrel guns actually chronographing higher fps than longer ones. But its not common. Usually there is a velocity increase with a longer barrel. How much is again dependant on the gun/ammo specifics, but anywhere from 35 to 70fps (per inch) is most common. Some guns will do more, others less.

What does gripe me is people who complain about the size and weight (of the standard 1911) for concealed carry. "its huge, its a brick, can't be done," etc.,etc, etc. I think these people would look at a pet turtle and complain how its not a bird!

Look at what the gun was designed for. Not what you want to use it for. If a particular gun isn't the best for what you want to use it for, the problem isn't the gun, its you.

The 1911 was designed for open carry. Duty holster use. Adding an inch to the barrel doesn't change that at all. May make it fractionally slower to draw, but we don't see a lot of slap leather showdowns in the street these days. One side or the other usually has their gun out by the time things get ..interesting. I don't think the tiny anount of extra time needed to clear the 6in is street significant. I could be wrong, never actually been in that situation myself.

Everybody seems to want a carry gun that weighs nothing, is invisible, can't miss, hits like the hammer of Thor, and never runs out of ammo. And if your choice doesn't do all this, somebody will tell you what a bad choice it is.

I won't. Choose, and use what you like, what you are comfortable with, what you have confidence in. And learn to adapt to any "shortcomings" your choice has for specific purposes. There is always a different gun that does something better and something worse than your choice. Whats important is how you balance all the factors for your personal intended use.

Nothing wrong with a 6" 1911. Just some disadvantages for certain specialised uses. You ain't gonna hide it in your speedo, but for most other things, you can adapt and do tolerably well.
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Old April 19, 2010, 12:58 PM   #10
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Old idea resurrected

When I first started seriously messing with .45 autopistols in the early 1960s, "Long Slide" .45s were already fairly common. The general idea was that bullseye shooters could increase the sight radius, and also that the added weight at the front end would reduce "wobble" while aiming at the black circle targets.

There was an entire sub-industry amongst pistolsmiths in chopping and re-welding slides and manufacturing long barrels. In fact, there's a theory that the "Bobcat," or short-slide, all steel, Commander-length pistols were an outgrowth of using the leftover short end slides. Special cutting and welding jigs were sold by tool suppliers to assist in the projects.

The bottom line ended up being that you have to put just as much time and effort and gunsmithing into getting a long slide pistol to shoot really well as to accomplish the same thing with a standard five-inch gun. For decades, there were some beautifully executed long slide pistols that went begging in the used pistol cases, as the experimenters with more enthusiasm than money got tired of their pet projects, and moved on to something else. Oh, yes - - and there were even MORE poorly made, sloppy guns for sale. Most of the latter merely got new slides and barrels and were more-or-less restored to standard specs.

As to using the long slide for hunting - - I like the .45 autos and have shot several animals with 'em. But there's no way a Government Model will ever shade a purpose-built magnum revolver, DA or SA, or a specialty single-shot, in the hunting field. Oh, yes, there were the AutoMag pisols, and the Wildleys and such. We all know what a commercial success THOSE were, huh? Uh, I'll also mention that I've never seen a Desert Eagle --either silver OR gold-- carried on the street or hunting for any type game. The latter arguably ARE a success, selling well to movie prop departments and video gamers.

Don't get me wrong: I'm all for individuals doing all the experimentation they wish. If a long slide .45 floats your boat, go to it! I know a couple of excellent gunsmiths that could use the work, and the money.

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Old April 19, 2010, 01:19 PM   #11
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Size and weight are relative. If you're 7 feet tall and weigh 300 pounds concealing a 6" 1911 probably isn't so bad because relative to your size, it's small, takes up a small amount of surface area against your surface area and a small amount of weight against the weight your frame is capable of carrying. If you're 5'5" and a buck fifty it's probably going to be a mess.
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Old April 19, 2010, 01:29 PM   #12
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Basically as a duty gun I think it would scare bad guys and make for no need to fire any rounds. It could save lives.
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Old April 19, 2010, 01:44 PM   #13
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I've been shooting a longslide .45 in USPSA competition for five years, and I shoot 3.5", 4.25" and 5" guns in IDPA. The longslide is easier to shoot, period. Longer sight radius, more "road hugging" weight to control recoil, and higher velocities than in 5" (25-50fps). As a duty gun? I think you'd have to really work at finding a suitable holster and holster position that would work for a gun that long. Are there any retention holsters for 6" autos? As a carry gun? Maybe packed in a Dirty Harry-style shoulder holster, but probably not on the belt. Mernickle make a very hi-ride holster (PS6?), that in 6" form might not extend any farther below the belt than a more conventional 5" holster. It would require a somewhat odd draw stroke, methinks.
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Old January 14, 2011, 10:39 PM   #14
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I have a Springfield V16 Longslide too. It's my target, hunting backup and carry gun. Accuracy is unreal. It's a bit heavy for a concealed carry but with a stiff 1 1/2" belt cinched a bit tight it works fine for me.



I shoot 45 Super 230g Golden Sabre HPs at 1150 fps for self defense. It kicks about as much as my son's full size Kimber does with normal 45 ACP 230g bullets.

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Old January 15, 2011, 02:26 PM   #15
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I have never owned a long slide 1911 but several years ago I had the chance to shoot a friends Springfield OMEGA 10mm long slide. I personally didn’t care for the long slide, the reason is simple, I didn’t care for the balance. For me the Gold cup has perfect balance be it full or on the last round in the magazine. I just dont care for muzzle heavy 1911.
I own 4 1911’s, A colt Gold Cup built in the 70’s and a Kimber Royal carry which is a copy of a Colt light weight commander, Colt ACE and a Kimber Raptor. I don’t think I will ever invest in a long slide.
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Old January 30, 2011, 11:24 AM   #16
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Pros: It is a 1911

Cons: It is 6" long
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Old January 30, 2011, 12:07 PM   #17
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I love the look of a 1911 longslide, but if you can shoot a smaller, lighter .45 just as accurately, then packing around the extra steel is annoying.
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Old January 30, 2011, 12:19 PM   #18
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It's a 1911

I need to grow a few inches, or put on more McD's to carry it, I'll stick with my little RIA.

Now why do I want some frie's right now
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Old January 30, 2011, 03:00 PM   #19
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Barrel's too long, IMHO .. I carry a 3-inch Kimber which is accurate, reliable and doesn't hang halfway down my leg ...
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Old January 30, 2011, 10:01 PM   #20
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Where a 6" 1911 gun really shines is when its chambered in 10mm or 460 Rowland. Wilson Combat has a beauty if you've got a spare $3600+.
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Old January 30, 2011, 10:21 PM   #21
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IF you get a gunsmith to build one, make sure he undertands what that extra inch on the barrel does. It is a nightmare trying to get the bottom of the locking lugs of the barrel straight enough to make the thing accurate. Most problems occur there. Alot of people build them but don't understand that with standard size bottom lugs off a goverment model, the barrel will start to tilt, before the bullet exits.
Once done right, they are an imporvement over the latter. i have built one in 10mm, and have killed several nice boar hogs with it.
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Old January 30, 2011, 10:45 PM   #22
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Nah, I'm not too crazy about the 5" 1911s...except (maybe) for range use.
I much prefer the 4 inch or 4 1/4" versions for carry. I am down to one 5"er and it will probably be gone soon.
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Old January 31, 2011, 08:01 PM   #23
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6" 1911s are easy to conceal, but you'll need a backpack. I really don't carry 1911s unless their CCO sized.
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Old February 1, 2011, 05:08 PM   #24
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would a 6'' 1911 be a good carry gun or possibly a duty gun in .45acp would there be more recoil or less recoil, would the velocity be more or less, accuracy etc. if not i was thinking of porting the slide and the barrel and modify the rear sight notch to accept a doctor red dot and use a railed frame etc. Im thinking of using a Springfield GI.45 long
Some stuff people need to figure out for them serfs
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