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Old March 21, 2010, 08:57 AM   #1
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Shotguns cost too much!

I was wondering if you took the curent prices of shotguns and adjusted the cost for inflation do shotguns cost more now or less than in the past?

I am talking 30 years 50 year and maybe 100 years ago.
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Old March 21, 2010, 09:11 AM   #2
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Everything

Don't think there is anything special about shotguns, I was reading old posts on another board yesterday 3.25 per box for target loads, I wish!!! Those posts were from 03.

Everything is too expensive, with the possible exception of computers and electronics.
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Old March 21, 2010, 10:02 AM   #3
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Paid about $300 for a Remington 870 Magnum Express back in 1997. You can still purchase them (13 years later) at that same price. So either I paid way too much back then, or inflation hasn't affected this long-gun.
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Old March 21, 2010, 10:39 AM   #4
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Considering a Mossberg 500 costs about the same as it did about 25 years ago or so when I bought mine, I'd say they are a fantastic buy for your inexpensive ones. Higher quality guns tend to go up in price more often, so they are most likely in line with inflation costs
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Old March 21, 2010, 11:17 AM   #5
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Consider this. In 1974 I bought my first gun. I was in high school working at minimum wage. ($1.90/hour). It took me 93 hours of work to save up the $175 I paid for my 1st rifle.

At todays minimum wage ($7.25), 100 hours of work would give me a budget of $725. I think guns are cheaper now than they have ever been.
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Old March 21, 2010, 12:53 PM   #6
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I use to shoot a 1100, that they claimed they paid $ 69.00 for. try to pick one up now for that.
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Old March 21, 2010, 12:58 PM   #7
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I have never seen a 1100 go for $69.00 dollars, new, used, or otherwise.
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Old March 21, 2010, 07:48 PM   #8
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In 1963 the 1100 was introduced at $144.95 plain barrel or $169.95 ventalted rib. By 1972 they were around $179.95 plain barrel list , I bought one that year for $149.00. Today that's about $725.
I have a Beretta BL3 that went for $239 in 1970 , with inflation today that’s around $$1310 from what I find , I just bought a Beretta 686 White Onyx for $1450 so not to far off.
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Old March 21, 2010, 08:55 PM   #9
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You can get a Browning BPS 28" Hunter 12G for $489.99 or a Grade 1 Citori White Hunter 12 G for $1399.00

A Remington 870 Wingmaster 12G 28" for $649.00 or a 1100 28" Premium Sporting $1,099.00

Alot of money, but all are worthy of keeping for a lifetime...save your pennies!!!
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Old March 21, 2010, 08:59 PM   #10
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My grandfather once told me that when he was about 20 years old in Texas if you started a bank account they would give you the choice of a free shotgun or rifle. He also told me that he started a bank account about 6 months ago and told them I will take a shotgun and got a very crazy look from the teller. He explained what he was talking about and he said he left with all sorts of pens and pencils, and things of that nature. Sure doesn't compare to the good old days. To address the question at hand IMO I would say some shotguns are about the same price if you take inflation into consideration. I am referring to reasonably priced shotguns not a Ceaser Guerini or anything like that.
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Old March 21, 2010, 09:16 PM   #11
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a brand new remington 870 is way cheaper than a comparable brand/model firearm,

a remy 870 new is 270, which is an accurate reliable, utilitarian shotgun

and a 9mm glock is 519 new, which is an accurate reliable utilitarian handgun

also, 3 boxes of target loads ($5 a box = $15) and a box of 90 clays (6.99) = ~$23 with tax, is INFINITELY more fun than 2 boxes of 9mm ($9.50 a box) = $21 with tax
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Old March 22, 2010, 12:55 AM   #12
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GRG, it was in Idaho and if my memory serves me correctly it was Weatherby's.
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Old March 22, 2010, 04:13 AM   #13
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As recent as 2001 Weatherby for a CD deposit http://www.thegunzone.com/rkba/rkba-39a.html
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Old March 22, 2010, 07:01 AM   #14
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I have the paper work from Sept. 1965 when my dad and my grandfather each bought a Belgian made A-5 at the Rockville Trading Post. $185.00

WOW!

Ouch!

Yes, I still have both of them!!!!!
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Old March 22, 2010, 07:30 AM   #15
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huh?

Greyson:
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a brand new remington 870 is way cheaper than a comparable brand/model firearm,
What brand is comparable to an 870 and is more expensive? What model firearm? ( not meant to be critical at all - maybe not enough coffee yet but I'm unsure of the comparison.). To which 870 are you referring, Express....Wingmaster?
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Old March 22, 2010, 07:47 AM   #16
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I remember buying a pair of Benelli M1 Super 90's 20 years ago for $500 each in a two gun deal. Otherwise I would have spent about $625 for them. I considered myself fortunate to buy a pair of Remington 870 P's from Jensen Arms a year or two ago at $600 each. Now, because Remington is building nearly all their "combat" shotguns on the Express platform, they feel justified in asking upwards (so I'm told) of $600 for Express guns. The Marine Magnum story is similar. Same gun as it was 15 years ago, but they're more popular now and the price reflects it. I'm not complaining...it's free enterprise and I'm glad we can still buy those guns albeit at a premium. It keeps folks at Remington working and raising their families......Zebulon
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Old March 22, 2010, 07:54 AM   #17
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a remy 870 new is 270, which is an accurate reliable, utilitarian shotgun

and a 9mm glock is 519 new, which is an accurate reliable utilitarian handgun
remington 870 express
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Old March 22, 2010, 10:21 AM   #18
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Greyson; Thank you. By comparable models, do you mean Benelli Nova, Mossberg pumps, and NEF Pumps?

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Old March 22, 2010, 10:25 AM   #19
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no. i was making a statement if you take an inexpensive yet reliable rugged durable utility shotgun, like the remington 870 express, and compare the price of the shotgun to the price of an inexpensive reliable rugged durable utility handgun, such as a glock 19 which sells for $500, you will see that the handgun is $230 more.

and that you can have more fun with the shotgun compared to a handgun
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Old March 22, 2010, 10:43 AM   #20
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Lesseee.....

Back in the early 50s, Pop bought a used 870 from a co worker for about $25. He made not much over $1/hr at the time. So, that was about a week's take home pay.

This was the base line model, no checkering or pad, corncob forend, 30" Full barrel. List price new was about $60 in 1950.

Sometime since 2000 I bought a used 870 from that time period (1955) in great shape, also with a 30" Full barrel. This one had the ADL wood and a decent pad. Price out the door was $178. That breaks down to a bit less than 2 days take home pay.

I've been lucky but I doubt any of my shotguns other than the Beretta O/U here cost more than $300 in present day dollars. Some, way less.

Just for fun, let's do a cost per use analysis.

Buy a used 870 for $250. Spend money on ammo, say a case per month at $60. That's about 2 rounds of trap or skeet, or one round of Sporting Clays per week. Not a serious ammo jones, IMO.

After a year or so, you've spent close to 3X as much on ammo as the shotgun. And the shotgun cost less than say, 3 days pay.

And if 870s really do last about 250,000 rounds before the receivers start cracking, that cost per use (shot) is about $0.01.

If you pick a nice used 1100, 390, 3901, etc, for $500, it's less than a week's pay, similar working life and a cost per use of $0.02.

Compare that to a K frame S&W, that will need shop time and repairs every 5 K rounds, Or a centerfire rifle for a hot cartridge like the 25-06,300 Maggie numb,etc. Less than 5 K rounds through it and the barrel will need replacement. And the scope on that rifle, even if of top quality, will be history also.

OTOH, few of us will outlive our shotguns. Few original owners wear out any shotgun, from Western Field to Westley Richards.

A decent shotgun is an incredible deal, mechanical immortality, versatility and reliability for a pittance......
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Old March 22, 2010, 12:40 PM   #21
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I think there are guns at both extremese these days ....

I'm not a big Remington 870 fan / although I think the 870 Wingmaster is a decent gun / I favor the Browning BPS Hunter model - for a do everything pump gun. At around $ 525 these days, the Browning BPS is a great gun for the money...in my opinion.

I think the first BPS's came out in the late 1970's ( and I don't recall / but I'm guessing they were around $ 150 )...so in 35 yrs or so, they've gone up $ 375 or so or about 250%

The higher end of "Target Shotguns" are certainly expensive ( Perazzi, Blaser, Kolar, Krieghoff ) at $ 8,000 - $ 25,000 these days ... but the value in O/U's is still in Beretta and Browning. Anybody that reads my posts knows I like the Brownings / but the biggest reason I like them is they fit me ( and not all models by the way ) ...and they hold up to long term use. For me, the Browning Citori XS Skeet, Citori XT Trap are great guns for the money at around $ 3,000 these days and they aren't that pretty / but they've been proven over the test of time that they will stand up to 25,000 - 50,000 shells without any major problems. In view of that, I think they're a great value - if you pick the models that fit you. A $3,000 shotgun represents a much smaller percentage of most of our annual incomes / than did $ 250 to my father's or grandfathers annual wages ....in 1940 or 1950 ...

I happen to think the Perazzi's, Blasers, Kolars, Krieghoffs are great guns as well - are they worth the extra money - maybe, maybe not / but I don't know that they are much more expensive than the "Parker doubles" of the 1950's ...in terms of a percentage of our income ....but I think there are more high end guns around today than there was in the 1940's or 1950's ....

I think these days there are a lot of lower priced guns being imported from Brazil, Turkey, China, Russia, etc ....but the problem, on this forum and others, is to find the 3 out of 10 that will give you a trouble free performance. The price is attractive ...but the quality is suspect - at best.... and we see it in handguns and shotguns both.

So no, in general, I don't think good solid shotguns that will perform for 250,000 shells are overpriced these days.
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Old March 22, 2010, 02:07 PM   #22
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Gun prices then and now...
Based on hours worked:
I recall one of the famous old time gun writers commenting that a decent gun will cost about a week's wages. If you're above the 2010 poverty guide lines then you're earning at least $560/week. There are many guns available these days that go for $560 or less.
Using minimum wage scales:
I got my first new O/U, a Winchester Model-101 (made in Japan) in 1968 for $350 (with a dealer installed recoil pad), when the minimum wage was $1.25/hr. So, a 1968 M-101 represented 280 hours at min wage. Now the min wage (in CA) is $8.00/hr, and 280 hours represents $2,240. The present M-101's (made in Belgium) have a MSRP of $1,679 to $2,179. The Pigeon Grade Sporting is listed at $2,619, but it's a higher grade gun than the 1968 M-101.
Super-Dave, don't you think shotguns are relatively cheaper today?
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Old March 22, 2010, 02:13 PM   #23
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Sure, stuff was cheap way back when. I got a job at McDonalds in 1966 carrying burlap bags of spuds up out of the basement and turning them into fries. It paid $1.15 an hour, which looked like a lot at first to a 16 year old. A new VW bug cost about $1600.

My father still says the only reason they hired me was because I was the only one big enough and dumb enough to take the job.

Tree service work paid me $2.35 an hour the next summer plus 20 to 30 hours of week of time-and-a-half overtime. And I was outside, driving a dump truck and playing with big chainsaws, chippers and stump grinders.
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Old March 22, 2010, 03:02 PM   #24
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Guns are cheaper now in 2010 than they have been in my adult lifetime compared to wages.

I'm talking about the fair market value and advertised prices, not the price gougers.

In 1999 I bought a Glock from a gun store and the going price was about $550. They are cheaper today, some 13 years later.

In 2001 I bought a Bushmaster AR15 for $900 (which I haggled the dealer down from $1100). Today that same gun (and others like it) are commonly for sale at $700-ish.

My Remy 870 Express was $225 in 1999. Shotguns have come up some in price, but for a long time were UNDERPRICED for what you get. I still regularly see sub $300 shotguns (Remy, Mossy, etc).

At todays prices guns are an incredible value for what you get, especially since wages have increased in the last decade while gun prices have fallen or stayed steady.

2009 was a rough year for gun prices because they skyrocketed and crashed. And the economy has tanked for most industries. And ammuntion prices have stayed high. But if you've got a good paying job and some cash, guns are a great buy now.

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Old March 22, 2010, 03:18 PM   #25
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I would probably agree with an earlier post that stated it is mainly the high-end expensive stuff that has gone up more dramatically. This year I bought a Mossberg 500 12ga combo that included two barrels for only $289. As far as I'm concerned, that is a great deal for a decent quality new shotgun, and I couldn't be happier with my choice and what I paid to get it.
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