The Firing Line Forums

Go Back   The Firing Line Forums > The Hide > The Art of the Rifle: General

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old March 19, 2010, 12:18 PM   #1
RT
Senior Member
 
Join Date: September 9, 2000
Location: San Antonio, TX
Posts: 2,191
AR and AK sight radius

Discuss..............

Saiga SGL21
Colt 6920
RT is offline  
Old March 19, 2010, 12:28 PM   #2
TargetTerror
Senior Member
 
Join Date: October 28, 2006
Posts: 424
AR has a peep sight MUCH closer to your face, while the AK has a notch sight halfway to your target. The AR sight picture is hands down the winner (at least for me) - easier to see and more accurate to boot.
__________________
Head shots are hard, but nut shots are twice as hard.
TargetTerror is offline  
Old March 19, 2010, 02:33 PM   #3
howwie
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 13, 2009
Location: Georgia
Posts: 188
It seems to me the distance between is very similar, but the AR is much closer to your eye. Plus the peep is very easy to use, that being said...I havn't done a long shoot with either. Only shoots within 100-150 yds or so. I have to say the AK suprised me on not being as inaccurate as I've been told. however, I enjoyed the AR sights more just because it seemed more user friendly
__________________
"Whoever bleeds the least wins."
howwie is offline  
Old March 19, 2010, 06:46 PM   #4
DMK
Senior Member
 
Join Date: November 18, 2001
Location: Over the hills and far, far away
Posts: 2,297
That's one reason I don't like M4/CAR gas systems on my AR15s.

OTOH, throw a set of Tech Sights on an AK and you have a sight radius that's longer than a rifle length AR15. Add an Ultimak with an Aimpoint and you got something goin' on.
DMK is offline  
Old March 19, 2010, 06:47 PM   #5
tINY
Senior Member
 
Join Date: April 26, 2005
Location: Orygun
Posts: 2,589

Compared to an M14, FAL, or even a Galil, they are both short.




-tINY

tINY is offline  
Old March 19, 2010, 08:25 PM   #6
Crosshair
Senior Member
 
Join Date: December 16, 2004
Location: Grand Forks, ND
Posts: 5,320
One point that gets missed is that while the factory AR sights are better for long range, the AK sights are better for shorter ranges. So it depends on what you are going to use it for

As has been pointed out, rock solid aftermarket options render the point moot.
__________________
I don't carry a gun to go looking for trouble, I carry a gun in case trouble finds me.
Crosshair is offline  
Old March 19, 2010, 09:02 PM   #7
B. Lahey
Senior Member
 
Join Date: March 17, 2008
Location: Indiana
Posts: 2,835
I have always disliked that sight setup. On a 16" AR like that you have a ton of barrel hanging out there that could be adding to your sight-radius, but it's not because they went with the short gas system, and the front sight/gas doodad is a part of that.

For me it's more about looks, though. It looks weird, like the semiauto 16" barrel Sterling the guy robbed the liquor store with in Robocop.



But are both ok for their intended purpose of short to medium range shooting, and both can be used at longer ranges if the shooter is up to it. I just prefer my ARs in rifle configuration; I don't clear rooms, I shoot at paper.
__________________
"A human being is primarily a bag for putting food into; the other functions and faculties may be more godlike, but in point of time they come afterwards."
-George Orwell
B. Lahey is offline  
Old March 19, 2010, 09:19 PM   #8
DMK
Senior Member
 
Join Date: November 18, 2001
Location: Over the hills and far, far away
Posts: 2,297
Quote:
One point that gets missed is that while the factory AR sights are better for long range, the AK sights are better for shorter ranges.
How are the AK sights better at short range?

Flip the AR sight to that big ghost ring and it's very quick. Granted, the sight height is high, but I just use the middle of the front sight post at less that 15y or so.
DMK is offline  
Old March 21, 2010, 07:39 PM   #9
bamaranger
Senior Member
 
Join Date: October 9, 2009
Location: North Alabama
Posts: 4,441
Well now........

The side x side pic is most interesting. I did not realize that the radius's were so similar. Usually, when irons v. peeps are discussed, the peep gets a mechanical/geometric advantage because the radius (length) of the sight radius is increased. Not so in the pic comparison. Still, the aperture on the AR/M4 wins hands down on ease of use.

When understood, and used correctly, any aperture/peep is superior to the std leaf and blade iron sights, given equal visibility of each, because one of the focal planes ( or elements) involved in the sight picture is eliminated.

To correctly use a std leaf/blade, the eye (and shooter) must juggle images of the target, the front post, and the rear aperature. Correctly of course, one's focus is on the front sight, and the target and rear blur, BUT...all three elements must be kept in relation to one another.

With a peep, one of these elements is eliminated. The peep is looked "through" not "at", the eye naturally centers the front post, which is kept in focus, and the post is "applied" against the target. Two sight elements instead of three.

In my heady youth, I had no trouble shooting well with peep or irons. Now, I have run smack into "fifty something" and cannot easily juggle the three item sight picture of irons, and actually prefer a peep for that reason. The bad news is, it's only going to get worse.

With a handgun, I can hyper extend my arms and get a usable sight picture, or I can get longer barreled handguns. (or glasses, I suppose). Optics, as in scopes are another option.

On a short carbine, I'm stuck, particularly the mid sighted AK and AR's.
bamaranger is offline  
Reply

Tags
ak-47 , ar-15 , sight radius

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:04 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
This site and contents, including all posts, Copyright © 1998-2014 S.W.A.T. Magazine
Copyright Complaints: Please direct DMCA Takedown Notices to the registered agent: thefiringline.com
Contact Us
Page generated in 0.07773 seconds with 7 queries