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Old March 18, 2010, 08:18 PM   #1
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Ultra-light "Pak-Rifle" 22LR (15.5oz)

http://pakrifle.com/Pak-Rifle.html






heres a vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PM6Q7m-HFj4

Can anyone see themselves using this? Maybe for a long walk in the mountains? IMO it would be a sweet little survival tool.

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Old March 18, 2010, 09:58 PM   #2
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Two pieces of rubber tubing on it in the trunk, "No, sir, that's my bicycle air pump, why do you ask?"
Yes, might be a great survival rifle to slide on the side of your backpack, but does anyone know how well it works?

Edit, watched part of the video, too bad it's a single shot that loads/unloads like that, very slow and clumsy. Well built, it appears. Had me fooled, almost looked like a tube magazine, and plenty of room for a compact semi-auto mechanism. Interesting idea.
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Old March 18, 2010, 10:10 PM   #3
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Maybe you could disguise it as a crutch and shoot melons.
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Old March 18, 2010, 10:21 PM   #4
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You're dating yourself with that one, Jackal...
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Old March 18, 2010, 10:24 PM   #5
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Adding a semi-auto mechanism would have added far too much weight.

Wonder how well it would take a suppressor?
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Old March 18, 2010, 10:40 PM   #6
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You're dating yourself with that one, Jackal...
But that was cool, wasn't it?

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Old March 18, 2010, 11:01 PM   #7
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Really cool but , MSRP $ 425? doesn't seem like it should be that much. Neat design regardless.


Edit: wow it's also a FISHING POLE! Now that is cool. I want one now.
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Old March 18, 2010, 11:38 PM   #8
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Nerd Alert!

I was referring to the crutch/rifle in Day of the Jackal.

But back to the rifle at hand, I bet price on the street for this one ends up well below the $425 MSRP.

However, if their intended market is the backpacking community, then sky is the limit on price. Folks will spend big money for less weight:
8x10 ft. Polyethylene Blue Tarp $ 5.50 18 oz. (REI)
8x10 ft. Coated Nylon Tarp $33.00 16 oz (Campmor)
8x10 ft. SilNylon Tarp $70.00 13 oz (Campmor)

If the market sez 5 fewer ounces is worth $65 (I know. I'm rounding wrong, but I have a Liberal Arts degree, and I want to make the math easier.), then each ounce saved is worth $13. A Marlin Papoose weighs 52 oz. (3.25 pounds). At 15.5 ounces, a Pak-Rifle saves 36.5 oz. Using tarp math (is this how Federal deficits are born?), a Pak-Rifle should go for $474.50 more than a Papoose. Since Papoose MSRP is $302.77, the Pak-Rifle is a weight saving steal!

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Old March 19, 2010, 12:06 AM   #9
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I imagine the prices would come down WAAAAAAAAAAAY down if that thing got popular enough to mass produce.

Gotta admire the gun is simple as all hell, twist action and a manual extractor, precious little to break on it. But I sure as hell wouldn't want to drop that thing or pack it wrong, it looks mighty fragile.

If its some guy cooking them up in his garage with a few old mills, I'd say the 400+ bucks is justified, and wouldn't mind supporting some good old domestic ingenuity.
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Old March 19, 2010, 11:41 AM   #10
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i would pack it. Pretty sweet
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Old March 19, 2010, 12:53 PM   #11
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If its some guy cooking them up in his garage with a few old mills, I'd say the 400+ bucks is justified, and wouldn't mind supporting some good old domestic ingenuity.
I am 99% sure this is the case. It was designed by one of the founders of this ultra-light backpacking company based in Utah: http://www.titaniumgoat.com/


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However, if their intended market is the backpacking community, then sky is the limit on price. Folks will spend big money for less weight:
8x10 ft. Polyethylene Blue Tarp $ 5.50 18 oz. (REI)
8x10 ft. Coated Nylon Tarp $33.00 16 oz (Campmor)
8x10 ft. SilNylon Tarp $70.00 13 oz (Campmor)
You think those are expensive?
7x5x8.75 ft. Cuben Fiber Tarp
255$
5.6oz http://www.mountainlaureldesigns.com
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Old March 19, 2010, 01:03 PM   #12
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Back when I was a kid, I drew things like that being shot by stick-people. Yes, some classes were boring.

I can see it being handy in certain situations, but I truly can't see me paying that price in preparation of that rare "possibility". I already have firearms that could fill that need and more, with perhaps better results.

And if I'm so far into the backcountry that I need a rifle that light, I don't want it to be a .22 LR.

It's a unique idea, and I like innovation, but I wouldn't buy one at that price. For $50? Perhaps.

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Old March 19, 2010, 07:44 PM   #13
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That design should certainly be able to handle a 22 magnum, possibly even interchange with the 22 rimfire. If they have the productive capacity they should offer it in 22 mag. It would make it more attractive to some as a survival rifle. It looks from the design that the receiver should be able to handle it.

I could certainly see an interest from bush pilots. Every pound less in equipment they have is one more pound of cargo they can haul.
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Old March 19, 2010, 08:43 PM   #14
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But does it float like the AR-7? The AR-7 is an utterly fantastic idea. Too bad so many were eventually made that did not function well, it killed a wonderful concept. I guess the Henrys are good but once you ruin a rep for a gun design, hard to get it back.
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Old March 19, 2010, 09:49 PM   #15
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Dang! This Pak-rifle is getting to be a bigger and bigger bargain by the second!

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Old March 19, 2010, 11:39 PM   #16
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of course the idea isn't the newest thing in the world.

http://www.nrapublications.org/a1f/LjuticSpaceGun.html
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Old March 20, 2010, 09:36 PM   #17
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Dang! This Pak-rifle is getting to be a bigger and bigger bargain by the second!

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So when will you be writing your review?

Dunno if I would go this far though:
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Old March 20, 2010, 09:45 PM   #18
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Melons. Mmmmmmmmmmmm..
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Old March 20, 2010, 09:54 PM   #19
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So when will you be writing your review?
I'm still saving up for a $70 tarp.

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Old March 22, 2010, 01:01 AM   #20
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I'll stick with my 6 pound CZ 527.
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Old March 22, 2010, 05:31 PM   #21
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I'll stick with my 6 pound CZ 527.
No fair. Yours has a magazine, and a repeating action, and even a STOCK for crying out loud...
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Old March 22, 2010, 05:46 PM   #22
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Can anyone see themselves using this? Maybe for a long walk in the mountains?
The gun? No...the woman is a different story.
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Old March 22, 2010, 05:56 PM   #23
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Ill take 2 as long as the blond shows me how to use it
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Old March 22, 2010, 06:00 PM   #24
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I was reading an article on ultralight backpacking equipment written in the context of $/oz a year or so ago. There were a large number of products in the $100+/oz range that were very popular. I don't think the price would be much of an issue in this items target market. Many of these items are also very fragile, although not prone to catastrophic failures, so having to replace them is not out of the question.

This item looks to fragile for my taste. That barrel looks way too thin.

If I could test the item or have one made with custom LOP and such I would put one on the long list.
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Old March 22, 2010, 10:10 PM   #25
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Is it me, or is there just something wrong about shooting at that big cat with a ... .22lr?
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