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Old March 18, 2010, 09:28 AM   #1
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Medical marijuana activist Steve Sarich was in his home in the pre-daylight hours Monday morning when three or four people burst in. One of them fired at him with a shotgun loaded with birdshot and he was wounded slightly, according to the King County Sheriff’s Office. Sarich returned fire with a .22-caliber pistol and hit at least one of his attackers seriously.
The additional facts from King County are: the scattergun used was a 20G with # 6 birdshot. Mr Sarich was hit with approximately 16 pellets. All hits were contained in the skin of Mr Sarich. Mr Sarich held his ground with a .22 rim-fire semi-auto pistol and drove off his attackers.

Looks to me that a man with a larger caliber of projectile won vrs a man with a smaller weaker projectile!

I just wanted to have this in the archives for the next big verses little great debate. Dave you may close this when you find it.

If anything more of interest comes of this, I will add as an edit.

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Old March 18, 2010, 10:22 AM   #2
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that's a tough one, He was only hit with 16 pellets? sounds to me like the guy who could shoot won.
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Old March 18, 2010, 12:09 PM   #3
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I think the point is that if the shotgun user was using buckshot the results might have been different. Yes?
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Old March 18, 2010, 12:30 PM   #4
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Usually buckshot patterns out of a given barrel at a given range run smaller than birdshot patterns do. Getting 'fringed' with birdshot might well mean a clean miss with buckshot at the same range.

One lesson to take away from this IMHO is that you CAN miss with a shotgun, especially at close range.

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Old March 18, 2010, 12:42 PM   #5
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Is there a link for this story?
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Old March 18, 2010, 01:27 PM   #6
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http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...ooting17m.html has some updates...

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Old March 18, 2010, 07:38 PM   #7
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One lesson to take away from this IMHO is that you CAN miss with a shotgun, especially at close range.
Today, WSP had scattergun familiarization drills at our range. 20, 870 shooting Federal LE 00 buck with flight control wads. Average group size at 15 yards was 3 to 4.5 inches. YES you can easily miss with a fighting scattergun at close range, regardless of the myths and Internet legends.
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Old March 18, 2010, 08:01 PM   #8
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Not closing this, and doubt I'll need to.

I wonder if the shotgun was a PGO?.....
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Old March 18, 2010, 08:12 PM   #9
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I wonder if the shotgun was a PGO?.....
OH NO, not again!
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Old March 18, 2010, 08:18 PM   #10
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OK, I'll show my ignorance...what's a PGO?
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Old March 18, 2010, 08:53 PM   #11
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Shorthand for "pistol grip only buttstock" We seem to be at times obsessed with the subject.

Although Dave and a group of us are quite outspoken on the subject, I think he was just having a little fun with us because of the 2 active PGO threads currently running.

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Old March 19, 2010, 12:23 AM   #12
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Ah yes, that makes sense. The useless PGO shotgun.
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Old March 19, 2010, 01:17 AM   #13
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I haven't researched the amount of # 6 pellets in a standard 20 ga. load, but I'll assume it is around 400. even if it was a 00 load, it was a horrible shot. not entirely shure he would have done better with the 22.
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Old March 20, 2010, 06:54 PM   #14
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Sorry, Bob, we seem to lack a SEG smiley....
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Old March 21, 2010, 04:43 PM   #15
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According to a shotgun pellet size chart I just looked at, it claims a count of 225 for one ounce of #6 shot.

Do 20 gauge rounds pack an ounce? (It's been too long since I bought any 20 gauge loads.)

Regardless, 16 out of some 225 is pretty poor stats.
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Old March 21, 2010, 06:42 PM   #16
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More on that here:

http://www.examiner.com/x-4525-Seatt...juana-shootout
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