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Old January 24, 2010, 10:10 PM   #1
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3 shot burst

Is 3 short burst registered the same as FA? In the Army you would have 2 different sere's in the weapon. Is it the same on the civvy side?
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Old January 24, 2010, 10:15 PM   #2
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More than one shot per trigger pull = fully automatic machine gun. Whether it's three shot burst or the entire magazine, it's a machine gun.

There's a few extra parts in the 3 shot burst model. A friend of mine in the Navy (he's a pilot, so he only shot with them a couple times) said the full auto had a better trigger pull than the 3 shot burst model- seeing diagrams of the burst fire control group I can see why.
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Old January 24, 2010, 11:09 PM   #3
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A burst rifle is a machinegun and regulated as such.

There are trigger conversions that fire when pulled and again when released, to effectively double the rate of fire, but they scare the poop out of me because someone will always release at the wrong time.
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Old January 25, 2010, 05:04 AM   #4
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The sear on a 3 round burst and full auto are exactly the same in an M4/M16 type rifle. The only difference is in the trigger, disconnector, cam and 1 spring. The hammer remains the same. Just having the hole in a reciever for the FA sear is the same as having a FA weapon.
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Old January 25, 2010, 10:33 AM   #5
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There are trigger conversions that fire when pulled and again when released, to effectively double the rate of fire, but they scare the poop out of me because someone will always release at the wrong time.
But these are still considered illegal if you do not have the right paperwork, correct?
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Old January 25, 2010, 11:31 AM   #6
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There are trigger conversions that fire when pulled and again when released, to effectively double the rate of fire, but they scare the poop out of me because someone will always release at the wrong time.
I've heard of these in concept, but have never seen any application of this. I would think they would still be a machinegun because releasing a trigger does not constitute a pull. Otherwise, everyone would have them on their AK-47's!

I came up with an idea of an bolt-on device that would work like a pump (on a pump-shotgun) that would in turn be geared to opperate a piston that moved back and forth to push the trigger on a semi-auto rifle. This would let the shooter emulate full-auto fire by pumping the forend, which should be easier and more effective than a gattling type trigger. It is still one trigger pull for each round fired, but I'd bet that BATFE would figure out a way to "Akins" my device, if I ever attempted to make it.
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Old January 25, 2010, 02:10 PM   #7
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The pull-release is OK'd by the BATFE. I played with one on an AK and a Mini-14, and it was WAY too fun to dump the magazine. Sort of useless for anything but double-taps, though!
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Old January 25, 2010, 02:18 PM   #8
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The pull-release is OK'd by the BATFE. I played with one on an AK
Where can you get these for an AK? I've only heard of this, never actually seen one.
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Old January 27, 2010, 01:03 PM   #9
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Where can these things be found?
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Old January 28, 2010, 03:30 AM   #10
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A friend had made one for his AK74 - I have no idea where he got the idea. The only one I owned was for a Mini-14, and it was very fun but had no real use for me.
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Old January 28, 2010, 09:48 AM   #11
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The pull-release trigger is very simple on a mini 14 only takes a staple and 30 seconds to turn it into an ammo waster.

You might want to print out a copy of this BATF approval letter first.
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Old January 29, 2010, 10:14 AM   #12
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I understand that there are mods for the mini 14 and ak, but is there one for the AR platform?
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Old January 29, 2010, 10:48 AM   #13
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If you want to waste ammo with an AR just get a JARD 1.5# trigger, set it up per the instructions and double away.
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Old January 29, 2010, 12:45 PM   #14
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What do you need to be able to purchase the 3 shot burst kit from K-var For an AK? Can it be done to any AK?
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Old January 30, 2010, 06:40 AM   #15
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To purchase a kit from K var you need a credit card. Yes you can put the kit on any AK after you drill a hole in the receiver. To do this is ILLEGAL unless you are an 07/02 or have a registered transferable AK.
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Old February 28, 2010, 04:36 AM   #16
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california....not even hope of having anything remotely like that
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Old February 28, 2010, 08:49 AM   #17
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Maybe someone should post the max fine and jail terms if caught with an illegal automatic?
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Old February 28, 2010, 09:25 AM   #18
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Ten years in the pen. $250,000 fine.
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