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Old February 20, 2010, 12:20 AM   #1
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making an armoured car

I was wondering if it is legal in any way at all to mount a rifle on top of your suv? or is that military only that get to show off there guns in such a way. also is it legal to armour my car with steel plates and other things to make it more bullet resistant? please any comments are welcome, if you think im nuts thats ok
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Old February 20, 2010, 12:27 AM   #2
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is it legal to armour my car with steel plates and other things to make it more bullet resistant?
Several companies are in business to do just this for sales to private parties. There's no legal reason why you couldn't do the same for yourself.
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Old February 20, 2010, 12:38 AM   #3
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Might depend on location. In Phoenix AZ there is a company who sells old cash transport trucks cheap, can't remember the name. Places like Cali or NJ might restrict it to government or the Mob, or both, depending.
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Old February 20, 2010, 09:17 AM   #4
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This is what you need.

Armored bulldozer
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Old February 20, 2010, 11:00 AM   #5
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I'm sure you can do it in some states. In some, like Illinois, it would be frowned upon (as in, you'd end up with a cellmate who frowned at you a lot.) But it's going to be problematic even in states where it's technically legal, because you're going to be driving around pointing a gun at people (it has to point somewhere.)

I've never been to the big shoot at Knob Creek, Kentucky, but I would imagine that such things are not only seen there, but are for sale. I also predict that you will find that such a thing is ridiculous, useless, and prone to attract attention from law enforcement when you're out driving on the road. On the other hand, at the range, you will always be the star.

Your other thread soliciting advice on your first gun is probably a better place for you to start. I advise you to go out and get some training, then a gun, eye and ear protection, a good case, cleaning and maintenance tools (this is not as much as it sounds like) and concentrate on getting both good and safe with firearms. When you're familiar with various firearms, safety is a habit and your skills are progressing, you can always take another look at mounting a gun on your car and see if you still think it's a good idea.
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Old February 20, 2010, 11:09 AM   #6
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I see no reason why you couldn't armor up a car. Even places like Kali and Chicago likely wouldn't care. But i don't know about mounting guns on it. I guess if you're allowed to open carry or have a gun visible in your car, then it should be OK. but I would make damn sure the gun is mounted on tight and unloaded so it doesn't get lifted when you leave your car parked somewhere.

MMmmm, getting a HUMVEE and mounting a .50 on the roof would be just the thing to keep other angry drivers in their cars and away from you

Just out of curiosity, any particular reason you trying to do this? Sounds like a pricey project.
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Old February 20, 2010, 01:26 PM   #7
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no real reason, i was just curious to see what people thought of the idea. but when the world goes to ****, and people start using militia mentalaty, and cops and all government turns on us its gona help to know how to make things like an armoured car. would coating a jeep or other suv with trauma plates from vests work at all? like putting them in the door pannels, i think it would be cheaper than steel.
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Old February 21, 2010, 07:34 PM   #8
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I built a turret on top of my car for a Varmint Master.
It kills in all 360 degrees of the circle.
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Old February 21, 2010, 07:38 PM   #9
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If you all havent noticed....

He has been asking about bullet proof vests..... if they can take a slug...
Now he is asking about armored vehicles.....

Im just saying.....
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Old February 21, 2010, 07:39 PM   #10
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Please understand that welding in some steel plate you found in a scrap yard will not work. You must use purpose made armor plate or ballistic blankets. Most steel plate made is soft steel and rifle rounds will cut right through it unless it is obscenely thick.
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Old February 22, 2010, 07:38 PM   #11
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Good point. You could really get hurt trying to sit behind cheap plate steel (or anywhere near it--you'd be surprised the directions a bullet can ricochet off steel that takes a dent) and counting on it to stop a bullet. Your other thread about "cheap body armor" behooves me to point out that cheap stuff designed to protect your life in extreme circumstances is a bad idea. You can also expect that if you add enough steel to make effective armor to a vehicle not designed to carry the weight, you're going to wear every moving part out much faster. It will accelerate more slowly, corner more widely, and stop in a much greater distance, too.

And if the world falls apart and you're being hunted by an evil government, you're likely to find that armoring a car that needs a lot of infrastructure (fuel, roads, lubricants, tires, repairs) and going on jihad is low on your list of priorities. Being able to raise food, sew your clothes, and purify water would be better and more marketable skills, along with things like butchering small game, building effective drawing chimneys, and gathering colanders to strap on your face when you have to go into the wastelands.
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Old February 24, 2010, 08:54 AM   #12
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Yea...

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Originally Posted by Striker846
If you all havent noticed....

He has been asking about bullet proof vests..... if they can take a slug...
Now he is asking about armored vehicles.....

Im just saying.....
I'm glad that I am not the only one scratching my head.
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Old February 24, 2010, 10:58 AM   #13
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I see you, Gecko45. You are compromising your anonymity. This is your CIAFBIOSSDIA special education forces case officer.

Execute Order 66 and return to cover.

Authentication Bravo Sierra.
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Old February 24, 2010, 01:57 PM   #14
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ok so i am probly making u guys question my sanity or u think im the next kip kinkle. im not nor will i ever be. im just asking some questions to figure out what people think are good ideas. besides when or if the world goes to hell, i want to be ready, so to all of you who question my motives, striker846 i know your not the only one. your just the only one bold enough to question it. im not insane, well not legally at least. but to want to take on the world when it goes to hell you gota be somewhat abnormal
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Old February 24, 2010, 02:23 PM   #15
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want to take on the world when it goes to hell
Just wondering what you have to shoot back with? Can you keep your equipment operating smoothly. You probably wont be able to run to Walmart to replenish your ammo! Driving to a gunsmith my be a little out of the question too! How good do you shoot compared to your attackers? All ???s you have to ask your self. A bomb shelter sounds better to me.
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Old February 24, 2010, 02:33 PM   #16
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Monkey,

I have quite a bit of experience with armored vehicles. I purchase them for overseas governments. If - as a civilian and a private citizen - you want to protect yourself inside a standard vehicle, your best bet is to wear kevlar body armor inside the vehicle.

Yes, there are armored vehicles that civilians can purchase. However, the art of armoring a vehicle is a really esoteric art, employing special glazing materials (windows), metallurgy (door panels), welding, polymer products, and - in particular - design.

One of the more infamous assassinations of a military officer riding in an armored vehicle occurred when an assailant fired a round through the rubber gasket element which held the bulletproof glass in an armored frame and carriage.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_N._Rowe

You do not want to trust your life to some sort of Mad-Max red-neckery involving welding armored plates onto your average Buick.

Not only will it be utterly ineffective against most rifle fire, but its patently unsafe - the extra weight is going to snap engine mounts, crack your frame, destroy your suspension, and cause you to lose control of the vehicle.

Armored vehicles are designed from the blank page up to accommodate the extra weight and mass - e.g the inertia that results when you attempt to maneuver them.

If you want to drop a few hundred grand on a commercial armored Jeep Cherokee or Chevy Suburban, go for it. Otherwise, buy a decent set of body armor and call it good enough.

When the zombies come, an armored vehicle - home-made or not - is NOT the way to go. You just make a slower-moving, easier-to-stop, higher-priority target.

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