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Old January 27, 2010, 06:18 PM   #26
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I don't really understand why one would question the rules of a trap/skeet range. The idea is pretty simple:

You make the rules in such a way that it seems ridiculously safe and no one gets shot. Seems like a fair tradeoff to me.

Of course, when I shoot out on open land (not at a range), I don't follow the exact same rules...but no one else is at risk either.

It only takes a split second to 'accidently' end someone's life.
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Old January 27, 2010, 06:33 PM   #27
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Its the same guy....

The guy who tells us all how safe he is, is the same guy you read about in the evening news (back when regular people could buy a newspaper from the leftist CLOWNS who print them now...) (dont get me started) that shot himself in the stomach putting his gun in the case at the car.

"I'M SORRY" is a poor substitute for safety.
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Old January 27, 2010, 06:34 PM   #28
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The load one at a time on station 8 is perfectly reasonable to me. They are concerned with people turning around to shoot the low house and turning around the wrong way sweeping the rest of the group with a loaded gun.

Some clubs make the whole group shoot the high on station 8 and then cycle them through the low house.

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Old January 27, 2010, 06:45 PM   #29
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If it is a safety rule for every one to follow then great, it awe-full hard to cure dead. But as the first guy implied not fun if they are only making one guy do something just because they don't like his gun.
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Old January 27, 2010, 07:01 PM   #30
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I shoot skeet in the low 20's from the low mount with my bird gun, a 26" Browning Citori White Lightning 20 gauge, with a skeet tube in the lower and I/C in the upper. Not out for score, but to improve my mount, swing and lead for hunting. Most of my bird hunting is in the grouse woods, so I figure that skeet best approximates that environment for training purposes - without all the timber in the way.
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Old January 27, 2010, 07:17 PM   #31
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Quite an honor to boot.......where I shoot 5-stand, if/when you get your first 25, they do the same thing....have to make sure you have an old hat for those just in case scenarios..

If anyone starts shooting at my hat, I'm gonna return fire.
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Old January 27, 2010, 07:18 PM   #32
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I don't really understand why one would question the rules of a trap/skeet range. The idea is pretty simple:

You make the rules in such a way that it seems ridiculously safe and no one gets shot. Seems like a fair tradeoff to me
Except that there are so many video game commandoes who think that playing a game makes them experts on shooting and safety. They give the enemy the fodder they need to disparage us with their inane actions
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Old January 27, 2010, 07:20 PM   #33
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Skeet

12 gauge Browning Citori.
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Old January 27, 2010, 07:55 PM   #34
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I appreciate safety rules and being a very competitive person I follow all established rules either competitive or safety.

My op was a lighthearted jab at the elitist attitude of many of the trap shooters at my gun club "How Dare you show up at the trap range with that inferior gun" and it's not just me they also look down on the people shooting sporting clays. And would never be caught dead on the HI Power rifle range.
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Old January 27, 2010, 08:01 PM   #35
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That's a different issue / none of the games have any room for eliteist attitudes ....but I know its out there.

But the same safety rules apply on sporting clays as well. You can't put a shell in a mag until you step into the cage. You can never put more than 2 shells in a gun at any one time ......but I presume you know that as well.

But if you follow those rules, I don't care what gun you shoot / or how well you do or don't shoot it / you'll be welcome on my squad.
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Old January 27, 2010, 08:12 PM   #36
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There are many who may look at your HD gun with disdain at the trap/skeet/sporting club. I could care less, but when you state that flaunting the rules should be allowed because YOU think they're stupid - I draw the line. Safety is paramount, especially with certain games where there aren't safety cages limiting swing arcs. If you do not like those rules, you'll really hate the FITASC rules where they even regulate your clothing.............
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Old January 27, 2010, 09:33 PM   #37
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First, I religiously follow the safety rules at each and every range I go to, and expect everyone to do the same.

That's even when I do not like said rules.

My home range has a silly rule about barrel length. One has to have at least 23" of barrel to shoot, though they do permit youth shooters to use youth models with shorter barrels while under supervision.

A couple favorites here are 870s with ribbed, 21" barrels. One each in 12 and 20. Both are bird guns, with the 12 being the notorious Frankenstein and the 20 gauge the former YE 870 I swapped a straight grip adult stock onto. Neither makes that trip to PGC. Darn it.

And skeet is great practice for bird hunting. Better than trap,though trap is far from useless. Both are better practice when shot low gun instead of premounted.

As for the OP's query, I shoot whatever I feel like shooting, pump, auto or O/U.

Didn't try the Saiga I had here to T&E, but that was that barrel length thing only.

As for pretentious, the good trap shooters aren't. I know a couple HOF members, fine folks indeed. The pretentious ones are wannabees who think they can buy expertise when they get an Alfermann,Ljutic, Seitz,etc.

Top shooting, regardless of event, requires a certain maturity of self that precludes pretension.

One has to master oneself before one can master the game.

And while some trap shooters do crochety very well, some are also among the friends I treasure the most.

Heck, I've been called a curmudgeon more than once myself....
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Old January 27, 2010, 09:34 PM   #38
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A Remington 1100 is hardly a HD gun, In their sweet spot which is shooting real birds in the dove fields of Central Florida or the quail woods of Southern Georgia. Hunting ducks in Southern Arkansas or Turkeys in Northern Arkansas.
Which is were I have grown up shotgunning it is as fine a tool as any $3000
trap gun.
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Old January 28, 2010, 03:32 AM   #39
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DanimalFL...

I started my trap shooting with a Remington1100 and no one looked down their nose at it. Before I shot it, I asked around and learned that it's considered rude and crude to shoot an non-Trap model auto-loader* without a shell catcher**. Perhaps it was the way you used your gun that had the old pharts out of sorts.

Like 1-oz, I consider myself more of a curmudgeon than a coot.

For those not versed in trap:
While shooting singles, the squad members are almost shoulder-to-shoulder. An auto-loader will eject hulls into your neighbor's space. It doesn't sound like much, but it's a real concentration breaker and it interrupts the squad's rhythm. Nobody has a good time when an unfettered auto it turned loose in a trap squad. If you show up with a regular auto, the rest of the squad may figure since you're gonna ruin their practice, they'll return the favor.

Some explanations...
*Trap model auto-loader.
Most shooters are aware of the outward appearance that distinguish trap models. The raised stock and long barrel with high rib are give aways. A trap model feature that's not so obvious is the modified ejector. A field model will toss the hulls well away from shooter, but a trap auto will drop the hulls at the shooters feet. With the R-1100 this is accomplished by an ejection attenuation pin in the Trap barrel's receiver tang.

**Shell catcher
For those without a special trap-style ejector, there's a little clip-on device that prevents ejection. They are available in plastic and steel. They're great for reloaders because the hull never hits the ground. Shell catchers are used in all of the shotgun sports -- the main problem is remembering to remove it when you shoot doubles. You don't really need a special clip, some shooters simply use a rubber band.


A typical shell catcher clip.
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Old January 28, 2010, 12:59 PM   #40
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Wasn't the original thread about skeet?
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Old January 28, 2010, 01:13 PM   #41
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Yep - was about skeet, that he had trouble with the 8 station high house, and he likes to shoot his older gun. Somehow morphed a little...
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Old January 28, 2010, 01:23 PM   #42
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If we can get this back on track...

I have used a Saiga 12 (before and after the AK style pistol grip conversion), a Remington 870 Tactical (with the Knoxx SpecOps stock), and a Remington 1100. The 1100 was first, and my scores went up a bit when I went to the 870, but fit still wasn't perfect. The S12 worked fine, but still wasn't ideal. You should have seen the looks I got with the 870 and the Saiga though...

I currently use a Remington 105 CTi II, and the thing shoots like it's radar guided. No straight yet, but it fits me well and it's been 100% reliable. I just need to get more practice.
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Old January 28, 2010, 02:05 PM   #43
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Was going to voice my opinion, then decided not to.
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Old January 28, 2010, 05:04 PM   #44
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Quote:
Originally Posted by lambertsteeth
Wasn't the original thread about skeet?
Yep, you're quite right. Sorry, we got a little side tracked by an unexpected adventure into Auto-loaders in Trapland.

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Was going to voice my opinion, then decided not to.
That's cool… can you tell us what you use for shooting Skeet without voicing an opinion?
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Old January 28, 2010, 05:13 PM   #45
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I'll play. Mostly a Beretta A390ST, 30" barrel with cylinder choke. Lately a Beretta 686 with 26" barrels, cylinder and Skeet (.005").



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Old January 29, 2010, 10:20 PM   #46
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My son shoots a Sweet 16 I got him in '89 when he was 9. I'm not sure, but I think when his wife is out of town he sleeps with it.
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Old January 29, 2010, 10:58 PM   #47
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Old January 30, 2010, 12:02 AM   #48
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Browning Citori XS Skeet 28'' with extended Diana chocks
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Old January 30, 2010, 10:04 PM   #49
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FOr Skeet League: Beretta 686WO 12ga 28" with extended cyl chokes in both

FOr skeet Fun Wingmaster 20ga 26" with I/C

Or SKB .410 28" fixed sk/sk

Or Browning Gold Evolve, 12ga 28" skeet <-Mainly for Clays

Of If I am really feeling cocky.. 1946 Remington Model 11, 28" Full choke
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Old February 3, 2010, 11:01 AM   #50
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I only have hunting and HD shotguns, but I love to shoot with a local boy scout troop. Hitting consistently with a PG mossberg takes a lot lof practice, but peoples' reaction to it is priceless!
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