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Old January 20, 2010, 10:31 PM   #1
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.270 vs. .280

just wanted to know the pros and cons before i decide what i want.thanks for the feedback
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Old January 21, 2010, 01:17 AM   #2
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Not much difference among the two. Get 280 if you want to be different, .270 if you like the idea of being able to find factory ammo anywhere you go.
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Old January 21, 2010, 05:41 AM   #3
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Ballistically it's a push, especially factory loaded ammo. The .280 has SLIGHTLY more powder capacity than the ..270 so a handloader could get a few more fps out of the .280. I went with a .280, like the previous poster said, to be different. Got tired of hearing all the people gush over the .270(not that the gushing wasn't deserved).

Here's a very good comparison of the two.
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Old January 21, 2010, 07:03 AM   #4
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After owning both I still own the .270 Win. The .280 just can't do anything better than the .270 except have a larger variety of bullets. However, the .270 has enough of a selection to make me happy since I only use it for hunting anyway. Don't get the .280 unless you are going to reload your own ammunition or pay for custom cartridges.
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Old January 21, 2010, 07:05 AM   #5
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One thing that the article in the URL above didn't discuss is the flexibility of the .270 Win in the lower bullets weights available to the handloader.

I've shot hundreds of .90 grain Sierra hollowpoints in mine and other rifles. They're a fantasticly accurate bullet, loaded down with mild charges of IMR 4895, they are pleasant range rounds that will do a great job on woodchucks and other varmints at reasonable ranges.

Moving up the ladder, 100 - 110 grain varmint bullets offer very long range varmint blasting, especially on eastern coyotes, which tend to be much larger than their western counterparts. (It's said that they've interbread with wolves.)

The .280 is still a wonderful round and perhaps a bit better as a deer and larger game round, but not a whole lot better. They both work very well, indeed and it doesn't make much sense to trade one for the other.
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Old January 21, 2010, 09:46 AM   #6
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Like the Rem 6mm vs 243 win, the 280 vs 270 discussion is much the same sort of thing. In both cases, you can get a big more velocity from the Remington product, but it is so small that I don't think it's worth giving up the convenience of being able to buy factory ammo at many places rather than a few. Winchester clearly won the 243 and 270 races.

I do like something different as I'm a 41 mag and 480 Ruger fan, but in this case I would (and have) gone with the concensus years ago about both 243 and 270 practicality.
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Old January 21, 2010, 10:17 AM   #7
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How did Elmer Keith put it? "Except for seven thousandths of an inch there's not a dimes worth of difference between them". Much better rifle selection for the 270 and also much better ammo availability. And 270 ammo is much cheaper.
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Old January 21, 2010, 11:54 AM   #8
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I agree with Elmer Keith. Both use basically the same parent case (yeah, I know someone will pipe up and say the 270 is based on the 30-03 case, or that the 280's shoulder is farther forward, but the cases are basically the same), both use about the same size bullets (sure, the 280 has a larger selection on the heavy end), both hit about the same velocities with the same bullet weights, so even though Warren Page and Jack O'Connor duked it out for years over the trivial differences, I would have to say they're about the same.
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Old January 21, 2010, 12:02 PM   #9
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Generally agree.
Col Townsend Whelen said in an article titled 'Just a Little Bit Better' that he thought the .280 was a better round for the proverbial "all around rifle" but that the difference was not great enough to justify trading off a satisfactory .270. Or a .30-06, which will give you some idea about how close the ballistics of all these standard cartridges are.
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Old January 21, 2010, 12:07 PM   #10
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I disagree with the 280 having more capacity. They are both offspring of the 30-06 with different case dimensions to avoid chambering one in the other. I have a 7mmRM, so the 280 was a natural fit for me. I push 140s like a 270 pushes 130s, but they are ballistic twins. The biggest reason I don't have a 270 is I have a 6.5-06.
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Old January 21, 2010, 01:06 PM   #11
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You ask for pros & cons, and I'm just gonna give pros for each. I'm a .280 fan, but have nothing negative to say about the .270. It's a great cartridge.

.270 Pros -
1. Factory ammo is much more easily obtained at sporting goods and gun stores, Wally World, etc. Also typically a little less expensive. I think on-line buying makes the playing field a little more even.
2. A .270 rifle will probably resell a little quicker if you ever want to get rid of it.
3. As a buyer, there are many more .270s to choose from. If you specifically want a .280, it takes some looking.

.280 Pros -
1. A handloader's dream. A huge selection of available bullets to pick from.
2. The .280 has a very, very slight advantage ballistically with heavier bullets, but not really enough to make any practical difference. Basically numbers on paper.
3. It is a little different, good for the guy who doesn't want to follow the masses.

The .280 has very, very little over the .270. The bullet availability point will be debated that there are plenty of .270 bulltes available to suit every need. That is very true, but handloaders are typically tinkerers and tweakers by nature. My usual advice when it comes to these 2 chamberings is this....

If you don't handload go with .270 hands down. If you do handload, look at the .280, especially if you like to experiment with different projectiles.
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Old January 21, 2010, 08:28 PM   #12
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+1 to what virtually everyone's said :-) of the better, most-reasoned/least inflamatory threads already. I am a life-long .270 fan-owner and will sing its praises all day long, but would never disparage someone's choice of the .280 for its pro's as well. Both great cartridges and the guns that shoot them.
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Old January 21, 2010, 09:49 PM   #13
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I like the .270 because for me it conjures up images of hunting in the west and of Jack O'Conner. The .280 doesn't hold that flavor with me. It is an excellent cartridge though.
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Old January 21, 2010, 11:42 PM   #14
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Several years ago, there was a fad for fine custom .280s, with some 280 RCBS Improved. The point was, with its standard head diameter, it would fit a Mauser magazine and bolt face without modification, leaving the gunsmith more of his time and your money to make it look nice. Moderately overloaded, it would be close enough to a 7mm RM to not matter, at least with bullets 154 gr and less. Some overloaded them enough they thought it smart to reform WW .270, the strongest brass readily available at the time, ironically enough.
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Old January 23, 2010, 08:44 PM   #15
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Of course, you might want to consider the 7mm Brenneke...
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Old January 23, 2010, 08:58 PM   #16
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"Of course, you might want to consider the 7mm Brenneke..."

Exactly, I've got a .270 as well as a 7x64

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Old January 23, 2010, 11:14 PM   #17
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These two rounds are so similar. I could never really understand the popularity of the 270 though, given the range of 7mm bullets available.
It says a lot for the sales ability of one famous gun writer....
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Old January 24, 2010, 07:55 AM   #18
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I owned a .270 Remington (BDL) but not long enough to be able to wax poetically about it. It was accurate,... I will say that. I currently own a .280Remington (custom) with a target/varmit "26 barrel and it too is accurate. As far as availability of ammo is concerned I've never had a problem going to Bass Pro Shop, Gander Mountain, or one of the local gun shops finding it. I also own a Remington 700 7mm Rem Mag (Sendero). Both rifles use a .284 diameter bullet. So when I buy for one I buy for the other. I wouldn't necessiarily trade a .270 for a .280. But if I had to purchase one off the shelf I'd go with the .280 simply because you get a little more umph if you know what I mean. Both are very accurate rifle outta the box. You won't go wrong with either of them.
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Old January 24, 2010, 11:18 AM   #19
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Does anyone still make a new production rifle in .280?
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Old January 24, 2010, 12:51 PM   #20
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Remington still has the Mountain rifle listed in .280. Bought my Alaskan Ti 700 in .280 in 2007. I don't even see the Ti models listed any more...
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Old January 25, 2010, 04:33 PM   #21
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In a 1987 article of Outdoor Life, Jim Carmichael talks about a custom 280 that he took to Africa. During a conversation with the great Jack O'Connor, whom he succeeded at OL, Jack asked what caliber the new rifle would be. Carmichael tells the story that he told O'Connor it would be a 270 hoping to please Jack. O'Connor's reply..."make it a 280, it's a better caliber".
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Old January 17, 2011, 03:11 PM   #22
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Jack O'Connor gets a lot of ink in these talks about the 270 but what did he actually say? in the book I have he said 1)he had equal regard for both the 270 and the 30'06; 2)that the only difference in shooting was slightly flatter trajectory vs slightly more killing power; 3)that the popularity of the 270 was due to the availability of 130 gr ammo and the lack of availabilty of 150 gr ammo for the 30'06; and 4) that the 270 would have suffered the same fate as the 280 if its factory ammo was the same. In other words, according to Jack O'Connor the biggest difference beween 270, 280 and 30'06 is factory ammo availability, and so shall it be forevermore.
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Old January 17, 2011, 03:39 PM   #23
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I own both and you cant go wrong either way, I dont really feel you gain anything by getting one or the other, the .270 factory ammo is cheaper just do to popularity but if you handload and like the fact you would have a .280 go with it
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Old January 18, 2011, 01:14 AM   #24
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If you get the .270 Win., you could get an AR15 in 6.8 SPC and shoot the same projectiles...

WELL, you could.
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Old January 18, 2011, 06:57 AM   #25
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im a big 280 fan and dont care for the 270. Dont ask me why as there about indentical. You can go on and on about which is more versitile but Id guess that 99 percent of the people that use both load bullets between 130 and 150 grain anyway.
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