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View Poll Results: Which pump shotgun will last the longest before breaking?
Browning 19 9.79%
Benelli nova/supernova 12 6.19%
Winchester 1200/1300 10 5.15%
Mossberg 500 51 26.29%
Remington 870 102 52.58%
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Old February 28, 2010, 04:49 PM   #76
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870 all the way.
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Old February 28, 2010, 06:06 PM   #77
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just take apart a 870 and a nova pump then tell me which one looks to be better built sorry 870 fans the benelli is a better gun i own both and have taken them both apart and the benelli just looks to be better built not to mention its lighter than my 870 and holds a tighter pattern than my 870 although i know this will not change the minds of the die hard 870 fans
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Old February 28, 2010, 09:49 PM   #78
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David, check back with me in 50 years. That's how long I've tried to wear out 870s. My oldest, mine since 1959 and well used, is just getting nice and slick.

Nothing against the Benelli, but it has some big shoes to fill.....
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Old March 1, 2010, 04:51 AM   #79
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your right your not changing any die hard 870 fans minds. mine included. you might open some minds up to Benelli though. I have been thinking about getting one but don't know which model yet.
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Old March 1, 2010, 08:12 AM   #80
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My Model-37 was made in 1940. All the blue is worn off the gun. I've shot cases of ammo thru it and it's still as tight and reliable as ever. Truth be told, few of us would ever wear out any of the guns listed in the poll in several of our shooting life times. Just pick what you like and enjoy.
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Old March 1, 2010, 10:06 AM   #81
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I love pumps. I started out a 12 ga 97. I later got my own 870 lw wingmaster 3" 20 ga. It was like getting out of a stock 57 chevy pickup into a new cadi.
I still have every shotgun I ever bought but when I want to shoot well I go get the "Ugly Gun" My Benelii Nova.I don't know how many shells have been through it but it has never let me down. Waterfowel,Upland,Trap,Skeet,5 stand, and sporting clays. It just eats whatever shells I feed it and keeps on going. I do like pretty guns but this thing is a tool and I don't think I will ever wear it out. It was the first one I ever saw. I thought it was a joke...till I shoulderd it. That afternoon I broke 25 out of 25 with the first box of shells to go Through it. It has done everything I'v asked of it so I have to vote in favor of the NOVA.
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Old March 1, 2010, 10:13 AM   #82
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Better put that Nova on some scales and actually weigh it. I think the Nova may prove to be a more durable gun, but until it has been around long enough we will have to wait and see. The Nova is a fine gun, but they are the heaviest of the common pump actions.
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Old March 1, 2010, 10:19 AM   #83
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sorry 870 fans the benelli is a better gun i own both and have taken them both apart and the benelli just looks to be better built
Well, durn. That put an end to all discussion right there. I suppose none of us 870 owners can argue with your ability to eyeball build quality or even your dazzling grasp of English grammar.

I love my 870. It was the first gun I ever purchased. Bought it the day after I turned 18. It has always been flawless, every shot, all the time. Don't know how many shells have gone through her but I would estimate at least a thousand or twelve hundred.
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Old March 1, 2010, 10:20 AM   #84
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While I think this thread has proven several things... I just thought of something...

We can all agree that any of the options will last a very long time with proper maint.

The 870 has components that cannot be removed routinely each time the gun is stripped and cleaned and these have a finite limit on how many times they can be repaired before the gun will need to be de-commissioned from service...


If I wear the aluminum receiver grooves excessively on my mossberg, I can simply peen down some beer can aluminum and and epoxy them into place effectively shimming the gun back to factory specs...

If I can shim up the kingpins on my mother's old Rambler Ambassador numerous times with beer cans and aluminum shower curtain rod to factory specs, I bet this monkey wrench simple gun be too...
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Old March 1, 2010, 05:44 PM   #85
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[QUOTE]The 870 has components that cannot be removed routinely each time the gun is stripped and cleaned/QUOTE]

Just wondering what components you are referencing.
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Old March 1, 2010, 05:46 PM   #86
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Why is my quote not working right.
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Old March 1, 2010, 05:56 PM   #87
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quote is missing the "[" in front of second "[/quote]...
I don't know the name remington uses but there is a sprung little bar that is installed over a nub that is peened to hold it... On a mossberg this part is screwed down with a screw... In the mossberg it is the ejector... (part number 25 in this diagram...
http://www.tiropratico.com/esplosi/mossberg500.jpg
It magnifies with a click.
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Old March 1, 2010, 06:54 PM   #88
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The ejector doesn't REALLY need to be removed. It's reasonably easy to replace, though I'll admit the Mossbergs is easier (I own both).

The shop I worked for did a yearly certify-for-duty on about 120 870's. I think we replaced one ejector in the four years I was there, which is pretty good reliability. Broken stocks and dented mag tubes were more common.
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Old March 1, 2010, 07:00 PM   #89
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slope, I agree it shouldn't need removed, I never pull mine from my 500... but should it ever need be removed due to extensive debris (severe duty conditions) or damage it has a finite number of times it can be restaked.
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Old March 3, 2010, 08:42 AM   #90
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Browning BPS - built like a tank.
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Old March 3, 2010, 10:22 AM   #91
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From my experience...

my 1927 Win 97 & 1954 Ithaca M37 are hard to beat.

Just upgrade with a 1970 A5 Mag.
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Old March 3, 2010, 10:31 AM   #92
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I'm not much for the mossberg 500s, but I'd take a 590-A1 over an 870 any day.
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Old March 4, 2010, 10:14 PM   #93
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Winchester 1300

I have a Winchester 1300. What a great gun! I have never had a malfunction and I tend to be a very accurate shot with it I don't see the ol' 1300 malfunctioning anytime in the future as long as I do my part and clean it everytime I shoot it. That won't be hard. I actually like to clean my guns Hope to see you guys at the shooting range or in the field, but until then, see ya later
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Old March 4, 2010, 11:41 PM   #94
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Remington 870 Wingmaster.

My Father just gave my Brother his old one. This is its 3rd owner, and it has had 10's of thousands of rounds through it. It's old, it rattles, it's scuffed, scratched, rusted, and beaten, but it has not broken, ever. It has not one single time, since my Father had bought it, failed to feed, fire, or eject. I've watched my Father take hundreds of squirrels with it, and I have taken many with it, just as many rabbits, and several pest animals in it's lifetime. I have one exactly like it, and I will pass this gun to my children. My Grandfather still shoots with his 870, that has never malfunctioned since my Grandmother gave it to him in the 1950s.

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just take apart a 870 and a nova pump then tell me which one looks to be better built sorry 870 fans the benelli is a better gun i own both and have taken them both apart and the benelli just looks to be better built
My grandfathers 50+ year old 870 will shoot circles around that ugly Italian hunk of plastic, be smoother while it's doing it, and then sit in a closet for 10 years without so much as being wiped down, only to do it again when needed. I'm not basing my claims on the way something "looks" but by how it has performed. There are pump shotguns, and then there is the Remington 870.

There is a reason why over 50% of the poll suggests the 870.
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Old March 5, 2010, 12:32 AM   #95
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There is a reason why over 50% of the poll suggests the 870.
Yes...it is because that is what more people own. These threads aren't very good at answering any questions.
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Yes...it is because that is what more people own. These threads aren't very good at answering any questions.
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Old March 5, 2010, 12:59 AM   #97
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Well ive only had my 590 A1 and my 590 for a couple of years so the longetivaty of the guns are still in question. But they are great shooters, extremely well built and im quite certain if I take care of them ill take them to my grave with me in working order. On the other hand My Winchester 1200 12 guage was bought brand new by my grandfather as a gift for my father in 1976. my dad put about 400 rounds through it he estimates before it was handed down to me. Since i got it i have put over 2,200 rounds of bird shot and it runs as smooth as it did the first time i shot it when i was 12
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Right...that's kind of what I thought you'd say.
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Old March 5, 2010, 05:56 AM   #99
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Mossberg 500 pump. Talk about a work horse.
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Old March 5, 2010, 07:50 AM   #100
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Last longer?

Older model Remington 870 Wingmasters are the best in my opinion. Got two of them that I have had forever. Have shot untold shells through both without any problems (and they still function perfectly). Hard to beat an 870.
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