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Old December 14, 2009, 11:41 AM   #1
johnwilliamson062
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Is this a pistol or a long arm?

http://www.swapgiant.com/-89/posts/5...ocker_WTT.html

THis seller indicates you must be 21 to buy, leading me to believe he thinks this is a pistol.I was about to write him a note indicating I did not believe this was a pistol as it would require an NFA AOW stamp if it was and the long barrel qualified it as a long arm(shotgun), but now I am unsure of myself. I know I can take a contender pistol frame and put a long barrel on it and it is still a pistol as long as I do not attach a stock(or at least I think I can). This is not a pistol, is it?
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Old December 14, 2009, 12:24 PM   #2
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It is just a Mossberg 500 with a pistol grip and a stupid Barret like muzzle break.

It's classified as a title 1 long arm. It is not NFA, it is not a pistol.
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Old December 14, 2009, 01:31 PM   #3
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so is there a different definition for a shotgun that what distinguishes rifle/pistol besides barrel length, or is this a case of ATFE looking the other way?
I never really though about it before.
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Old December 14, 2009, 01:37 PM   #4
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It is an "other firearm" meaning it's not a rifle or shotgun (both have to be shoulder fired) and it isn't a handgun. It is also not an NFA firearm.

Rifles and shotguns can be sold to persons 18yo or older by FFL dealers. If it isn't a rifle or shotgun, you have to be 21yo. This isn't something new, it's at least a decade old law.

Handguns are not long guns so you have to be 21yo to buy them, that's where they get that from. Also frames and receivers are not long guns, so you also have to be 21yo to buy them. A receiver or frame is not a long gun because a rifle and shotgun have to have a barrel and the ability to fire a single round through a smooth or rifled barrel. An NFA firearm is not a long gun either and you need to be 21yo to buy from a dealer.

See 27 CFR 478.11 for definitions.

In the industry, the weapon you reference is known as a PGO shotgun, or pistol grip only shotgun. That is a shotgun that has a pistol grip and not a shoulder stock. It's an other firearm, officially, must be 21yo to buy.
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Old December 14, 2009, 01:52 PM   #5
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Whew, good thing i waited until I was 21 to start buying these things...
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