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Old December 9, 2009, 10:59 PM   #1
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Mint condition original WW2 P38- Value?

My family has acquired from my grandather this immaculate WW2 P38 pistol straight off a German, complete with an extra clip and leather holster. We have absolutely no intention on selling it, I was simply wondering how much this gun may be worth?

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Old December 9, 2009, 11:09 PM   #2
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300 bucks......... if that

Nice shape though......................

Are you threatening snowball with that????
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Old December 9, 2009, 11:29 PM   #3
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Haha "snowball" is lucky it wasn't loaded. I figured it'd be an antique collectors item or something. I highly doubt this gun has been fired more than 50 times, only whatever it was shot in WW2.

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Old December 9, 2009, 11:34 PM   #4
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A good picture of the left side, showing all the markings, would help. Values vary with the year of manufacture and the maker, as well as with the condition.

Almost any good condition WWII P.38 is worth more than $300; some are worth a lot more.

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Old December 10, 2009, 12:16 AM   #5
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Which model is it? 7.65mm Luger or 9mm Parabelum.

Do you also have Standard model, Steel model, P38K, P38, war issue, civilian addition. Are there any distinguishing marks?

Some of the pre-war models are going for as much as $12000.

That being said if you have a pre-war please look at the code on the gun to find the manufacture as follows.

Code stamp "ac" mfg from 1939 to 1945 by Walther
Code stamp "byf" mfg from 1942 to 1945 by Mauser
Code stamp "cyq mfg from 1943 to 1945 by Spreewerker (not valuable)

If you have the model with the "ac" code then many more question need to be answered as the value is from $900.00 at worst (shootable) to $8000.00 for a Banner model.

Additionally the pre-war "ac" model may not be dated and have a serial # ranging from #7356 to #9671 and in that case is starts at $1300 to $5500 except with special trigger guards and then it exceeds $12000.00

Its hard to tell with your picture but look for the Walther stamp and the code stamp and start from there.
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Old December 10, 2009, 12:22 AM   #6
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My dad keeps it in our home safe so while he was getting something he let me hold the gun. Story has it my grandfather picked it up in WW2 so it's authentic. I wish I had a picture of the extra clip and holster as well as the other side of the gun. Thanks a lot, I'd love as much info as I could get. I would love to shoot this gun.
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Old December 10, 2009, 12:30 AM   #7
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My mom said her dad had told her it's a Walther and he got it between 42-45. Hopefully I'll get more pics soon of everything and list the mark on the gun. It really is mint condition and I greatly appreciate the information.
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Old December 10, 2009, 12:44 AM   #8
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Based on your information I got him to open the safe and looked at it. I took this picture, there is the "ac" stamp as well as the serial #9515. apparently this gun is valuable like I originally thought. Thank you so much.



I was also told we believe it's a 9mm
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Old December 10, 2009, 12:45 AM   #9
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KEEE RIPES i shoulda bought a barrel of them


everyone of them ive seen (alberta canada)

i have seen sold for 300 bucks ball park

im gonna have to make a trip

sorry for the miss information
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Old December 10, 2009, 12:50 AM   #10
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Also, I have no idea which specific model it is (standard, steel, etc..)

yea I know, that would be amazing if this gun was worth like $10k even though we wouldn't try to sell it.
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Old December 10, 2009, 01:00 AM   #11
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Based on what I am seeing the value is More than $5500.00. With the "ac" stamp you have pre- war Walther model. If that is the original grips and the stamp at the end (next to hammer) is a g then it's an original from 1937. Remember the # models were from before 1939 "ac".

Look up the history from walther and do not let the gun go to anyone. You have a good one and it is worth possibly around $8000.00 to a collector.

Thanks for sharing! Nice weapon! By the way it's a 9mm

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Old December 10, 2009, 01:15 AM   #12
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Wow thank you very much! Yes, it says g right after the serial number. I had no idea the value would be that high. I really appreciate your help, I'm not letting it go believe me. It's great to know that more than just sentimental value is applied to this gun.
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Old December 10, 2009, 01:18 AM   #13
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I'm looking to get a CZ 75 Compact soon and it will be so tempting to take this to shoot when I have 9mm ammunition. I won't shoot it of course though!
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Old December 10, 2009, 12:55 PM   #14
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everyone of them ive seen (alberta canada)

i have seen sold for 300 bucks ball park

im gonna have to make a trip
There are a lot of P38's that are more recent imports and even more post-war P1's. Chances are that if you are seeing them for $300, they are import marked, so-so condition, and may be post-war.
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Old December 10, 2009, 01:53 PM   #15
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Walther P38, 1942

I have a Walther P38 bringback, no import marks, all original proofs, ac, great conditions with minor holster wear on the sharp edges. Also, a factory P38 holster (not original with the pistol). I paid $700 and thought it was a good deal.
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Old December 10, 2009, 02:22 PM   #16
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I'm amazed it's as valuable as it is, I really appreciate all the stamp information.
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Old December 10, 2009, 08:27 PM   #17
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Sorry, Winterhawk 56 and guys, but that is a run-of-mine 1943 (mid-war) Walther, not a pre-war and in nice shape it is worth probably $700-900 retail, not $5000 or $12000. I have no idea where that value information came from, but it is clearly erroneous.

NO P.38's were made in 7.65; a P.38 by definition was a German service pistol, not a pre-war Walther commercial, and service pistols were made only in 9mm Parabellum, not made in 7.65 Parabellum. The first P.38's had no code marking; they had the Walther banner. For a few months, they used the "480" code; the "ac" code was first used in 1940, not in 1937. (The "38" in P(istol).38 is the year of adoption, so there were no P.38's prior to that year. There were Walther HP and MP pistols, but the gun pictured is not one of them.)

Typical good condition P.38 holsters run around $65 with a few topping $100, and original "v" magazines as issued with that pistol run around $65-80. By that time, magazines were not being numbered to the pistol.

What TTUBOB87 has is a nice pistol, and a wonderful souvenir. I see no reason for anyone to deceive him about its value.

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Old December 10, 2009, 08:37 PM   #18
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To which I will add that the actual serial number for your Walther is 9515g.

These guns were made in 10,000 gun production "blocks".
Serial numbers started at 0001 and went to 9999, then started over at 0001a to 9999a then to 0001b and so on.
So your P-38 was gun number 9515 in the "g" block.
Since serial numbers repeated over and over, the "g" is actually part of the serial number.
So, your Walther (ac) is correctly identified as a 1943 "g" block P-38.

As above, its a totally standard 1943 Walther P-38, with the only unusual things being its nice condition, the original holster, and the family history.

Value is as above, around $700 to $900.
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Old December 10, 2009, 09:31 PM   #19
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My daughter bought her P.38 AC45 for about $475 this summer but it is not in as good as shape as the gun shown, the pistols in better shape were selling for $700+. The P.38 site has some good information along with some safety warnings about slide cracks and other things to lookout for.

http://www.p38forum.com/
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Old December 10, 2009, 10:22 PM   #20
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Jim,

Not trying to mislead or misinform anyone and look up the information and no I did not see the 43 until it was brought to my attention.

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Old December 10, 2009, 10:37 PM   #21
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Based on what I am seeing the value is More than $5500.00. With the "ac" stamp you have pre- war Walther model. If that is the original grips and the stamp at the end (next to hammer) is a g then it's an original from 1937.
Winterhawk, the gun is an "ac 43" which makes it 1943 production. Look at the picture again, closely. We are not taking about an "HP" or "Armee" here.

As 1943 and 1944 were the highest production years for the P.38s, the value is not anywhere near earlier guns. I really don't know where you are getting your information from.

Bluebook value for a 100% gun ranges from $700-900.

Edit--Bluebook states that a two line date code brings a slight premium.
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Old December 10, 2009, 11:20 PM   #22
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Winterhawk - check your info, CHECK YOUR INFO

Winterhawk,

I'm afraid Mr Keenan is completely right. First of all, the SN by itself cannot date the gun, because you must consider the make WITH the SN, Walther, (AC or 480), Spreework (CYQ) or Mauser (BYF or SVW). Since the gun plainly says AC 43, it cannot be prewar. AC referring to Walther and 43 referring to 1943. I don't know of any book which would have such erroneous info on P38s but if there is a book thats as wrong as you claim or you prove it to be for that matter, it should be tossed into the garbage before it misinforms someone else - post haste. Some of the rare more valuable models are the HPs which are pre war, and the 480 code, which Walther used before AC. Also SVWs are worth a premium. AC43s are one of the most common nazi P38s but are still cool.

You mention you lived in Germany but that really tells us nothing about your knowledge of firearms or P38s. My knowledge comes from extensive reading about them, CORRECT books and the fact that I own two nazi P38s, a AC 43 (how about that!) and a CYQ. I don't mean to be rude to you but I hate to see misinformation about this stuff and then you insisted that you were still right. The internet by itself will prove most of what you said to be wrong.

Regarding the other posts by everyone else - I think everyone is jumping the gun a little on the value by assuming that the gun is all matching. P38s have the SN on 4 parts: the frame, slide, under the barrel and internally on the locking block. If one of these does not match, the gun is probably worth about $400 tops. If the gun has an X anywhere near the the SN, this signifies a Russian capture gun and these are also not as valuable. The Russians supposedly dipped and reblued each P38 which displays a X. If this gun is all matching with a nazi marked magazine, I think $900 is the ceiling for value but it depends, guns sell high everyday. P38s need to be matching, with no import marks to be collected before condition can be a factor. People who collect and enjoy WWII guns want guns which are as close to being original as possible and we will pay more for them. Guns which are not exactly like they were when issued will almost always be worth less than an original.

The magazine on a AC43 will not have the SN of the gun. The SN marked magazines are for earlier Walthers.

My AC43 - not perfect but all original

My CYQ - a beauty
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Old December 10, 2009, 11:36 PM   #23
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A few more things....

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Do you also have Standard model, Steel model, P38K, P38, war issue, civilian addition
These P38s specifically are all MILITARY issue. They are also all steel guns from this time period.

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Code stamp "cyq mfg from 1943 to 1945 by Spreewerker (not valuable)
Its not Spreewerker, its Spreewerk and they command a value despite being the most common. A matching one in EXC condition can easily bring $700 or so. Remember, its still nazi, its still a P38 and it still has historical value.
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one additional item I just realized, if you have the original holster and an additional clip! These two items add about $1500.00 to the value.
Only a holster and clip combo with PROVEN historical provenance could be worth that much. I couldn't see any holster mag combo being worth much more than $500.
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With the "ac" stamp you have pre- war Walther model. If that is the original grips and the stamp at the end (next to hammer) is a g then it's an original from 1937. Remember the # models were from before 1939 "ac".
Incorrect. The pre AC "number" guns you speak of are probably 480 code which was the code before AC. Guns marked 43, 41 etc signify the year produced.

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THe serial # places it before the War but please do the work yourself and check it our!
Once again, regardless of the SN, the gun is an AC43. The g is what dfariswheel referred to as a G block, which means it had approx 80k made before it for that given year (plain number, a suffix, b suffix, c suffix........g suffix).

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By the way it's a 9mm
Anyone who is credible knew that after the OPs very first post or when we read "P38".

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Old December 10, 2009, 11:36 PM   #24
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something like that, keep it in the family.

it irks me when family members sell off their family heirlooms...
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Old December 10, 2009, 11:49 PM   #25
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Wow this thread took off! My grandfather got all of this when he was in WW2 and I don't believe he has fired it since. He kept it in his closet in the holster since he got back from the war. It's such an amazing gun to me even if it's not worth that much.
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