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Old December 7, 2009, 05:41 PM   #1
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About 7x57 (7mm Mauser)

How does it compare to 270 Win & 30-06?

Pls belabore accuracy, reliability, range, trajectory and distros of ammo available.
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Old December 7, 2009, 05:53 PM   #2
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The 30-06 was developed after the Spanish American War as a result of experience against the 7x57. It's a great cartridge but it isn't as popular in the US as it is elsewhere.
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Old December 7, 2009, 05:56 PM   #3
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It is 7mm so it falls between the two. .270 ....284(7mm)... .308
It will do everything that the others will do (almost).
I more modern caliber i the .280 Remington.
.270 win, .280 rem and 30-06 all use a very similar case.
7mm has slight ballistic advantage in sectional density and coeficient at similar weights.
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Old December 7, 2009, 06:00 PM   #4
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The 270 Win and 7x57 are virtual twins ballistically, the 7x57 supposedly has an edge with heavier bullets.
The 30-06 has about 20% more power due to the larger caliber bullet.
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Old December 7, 2009, 06:00 PM   #5
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The 7mm-08 is almost its ballistic twin.
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Old December 7, 2009, 06:11 PM   #6
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As for it's availability.
That is difficult for most of us to answer. I cannot imagine what the availability of ammunition is in your country- Pakistan. Here, it can readily be ordered either through the mail or it can be found on the shelves of bigger and more better equiped sporting goods stores.

In regards to its age- it IS a very respectable and capable cartridge.

Also, your english skills are quite good also.
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Old December 7, 2009, 06:47 PM   #7
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The 7x57, 7mm Mauser, 275 Rigby is a wonderful hunting round. It's pretty underloaded in the US, but still a very capable round that a little faster than a 30/30 with comparable and even slightly heavier bullets. A strong action will handle loads on par and even a little hotter than the 7-08. Recoil is tame compared to the 270, 280, 30-06 range. "Acklified" it reaches the heals of the 280. Ammo selection is a little sparse, but I can find what I want on the internet normally. Hornady's "new" superformance should put the MPBR around 250 yards.

Classy round normally found in classy rifles. Not the highest performing round, but more than adequate for the vast majority of hunters.
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Old December 7, 2009, 07:32 PM   #8
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I own a Holland & Holland, a Mauser M98, Remington 700 and recently bought a Winchester Model 70 Featherweight.

It's been the most popular & the only hunting bolt action rifle calibre here for almost a century.

270Win & 30-06 Sprngfld are/were there but gained popularity in the recent decade or so. I remember using the 7mm Mauser when I used to tag along with my grand father & father for hunting but when I turned 18 I ceded to .243, .270, 30-06 and 7mm Rem Mag & totally ignored the 7X57 until recently I thought of using some of the old, lying dormant in the gun room for decades stuff.

I have thousands of old .275 Rigby bullets in immaculate condition & plan on using them this year for wild boar & ibex hunts.
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Old December 7, 2009, 07:47 PM   #9
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The 270 Win and 7x57 are virtual twins ballistically
No, the .270 is quite a bit hotter (300 FPS faster with the same 140grn bullet).
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Old December 7, 2009, 08:55 PM   #10
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Very nice collection you have Lordofwar. I no longer have a 7mm Mauser, but I do have a soft spot in my heart for old cartridges. I would love to go on a hunting tour with a 6.5x55, 7x57, 8mm, .30-40Krag, .300 H&H, and the 9.3 Cousins.
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Old December 8, 2009, 07:07 AM   #11
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7X57

Wonderful cartridge with a long and interesting history.
Get a copy of "Bell of Africa" by W.D.M. Bell (Safari Press, Long Beach, CA, USA) and enjoy Bell's exploits with the 7X57. (I especially like the story about his wingshooting along the Nile with his rifle. A remarkable shooter.)
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Old December 8, 2009, 09:27 AM   #12
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Very good cartridge, just hard to find ammo for around here unless you order it. Or reload. There was 2 rugers on the shelf at a local shop for over a year. The guy wouldn't stock any ammo for them. Said he had to sell the guns online to get rid of them.
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Old December 8, 2009, 09:30 AM   #13
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Factory ammo is loaded to a lower pressure because of the old single-lug bolt-actions still in existence. A handloader can compete heads-up with the .270 or '06, for all practical purposes...
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Old December 8, 2009, 04:20 PM   #14
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I own and have hunted with my .375 H&H and they're wicked. I shot my trophy BIG 3s (lion, buffalo, Leopord) with it, in Tanzania. For elephant we used .416 Rigby.

I used my outfitters 9.3 (CZ) during the same trip and shot two crocs with the same. One stop shops indeed.
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Old December 8, 2009, 05:52 PM   #15
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This thread inspires me to drag the old Brazilian Mauser in 7x57 out of the safe.
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Old December 8, 2009, 06:16 PM   #16
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Thats what I have planned on doing. I'm taking out all grandfather era rifles & ammunition and hunting with them this season.
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Old December 8, 2009, 07:12 PM   #17
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My 7x57's

Are both bolt actions. The first was a Mauser Model 93 with a sporterized stock, and a Weaver V9 3-9x40 AO scope. I bought it for $40 from a hometown friend. He bought it for $20 at a Sears store in 1964, in original military condition.

I used it to kill only one animal - a 500 pound raghorn bull elk - at 40 yards, using a 150 gr factory load by Norma. Loading data indicated the MV was 2750 fps, which is 180 gr 30-06 MV, I believe.

In 1974, when I shot the elk, Norma had only 2 loads in 7X57 - the 150 gr, and a 110 grain load at 3300 fps. Okay, I shot a prairie dog at 245 paces with it, in addition to the elk. Killed 2 animals with that rifle.

Then, in 1998 I traded my M93 military Mauser (and about $800 cash, to boot) for a custom DuBiel Arms Company bolt action in 7x57, and I still have it. In fact, I just upgraded the optics on it, a new Leupold VX-3 2.5-8x36.
I have shot 6 or 8 small Texas white tail deer with it, over the years.

Accuracy - between 1.0 and 1.5 MOA, both rifles considered.

Reliability - very good. Always goes BANG, and about 50% DRT, the other 50% within 50 yards (short "death run").

Range - to about 300 yards

Trajectory - 100 yard zero I use is 3 inches high @ 100 yards.

Ammo availability - most stores dedicated to sporting goods will have only Remington Core Lokd in 140 grain weight. Had to order 175 grain Federal load from a gunsmith shop, took a couple weeks to get it. I have handloaded several 140 grain bullets (Hornady Interlock, Hornady SST, Barnes 140 gr Triple shock X bullets), usually to 2,950 fps MV - but the Barnes bullet, being solid copper, was so long I had to seat it into the case mouth so deep that I couldn't get enough powder in the case, so had to stop with a MV of only 2,820.
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Old December 9, 2009, 03:39 AM   #18
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I was able to recently talk my old man into giving me his 7x57 mauser in a Ruger m77 mII with a bushnell 3-9x40 scope on it, I had used the rifle since I was first able to hunt at the age of 12 and have killed mule deer and whitetail with one shot kills out to 427 yards ( confirmed, rangefinder) I use handloads and have very nice little cluster groups at 100 yards. I use 36.5 grains of IMR 4895 topped with a nosler 160 grain accubond bullet and have never had an animal run more than 75 yards after being hit. so all in all I believe that this is a very capable cartridge.
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Old December 9, 2009, 07:56 AM   #19
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Get an 8mm Mauser.
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Old December 16, 2009, 10:34 PM   #20
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It says much for the lack of benefit of much of technology that two of the oldest firearms cartridges, the 7x57 and 30-30 are amongst the best.
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Old December 17, 2009, 12:14 PM   #21
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It says much for the lack of benefit of much of technology that two of the oldest firearms cartridges, the 7x57 and 30-30 are amongst the best
Yes, the more things change, the more they stay the same.

Actually, very little has changed in firearms technology during the last 107 years since the 7X57mm was first introduced, and it looks like that trend will continue for a while, so I say get a 7X57mm and enjoy it. 7X57 is only slightly less powerful than a 270 or 30-06, and has noticeably less recoil. Since the OP is in Pakistan, I assume he will be shooting European loads, which will launch a 150 gr bullet at around 2,800 fps, about the same as a factory 30-06 load. Sure, 30-06 can be loaded a bit hotter. But it kicks more and doesn't kill any deader, so why bother? I have hunted with a 7X57 for over 30 years now (with brief passionate interludes with other tempting, alluring beauties like the 6.5-06, 8mm Rem Mag, 375 H&H, and a few others), and I believe it is one of the best chamberings available.

So, in the long run, splitting hairs over the benefits of 270 vs 280 vs 30-06 vs 7X57 vs 8X57 are really just vague ramblings by people who either haven't tried them all or are easily captivated and empassioned because they have no life. They are all so close in performance that you have to pull out charts and tables to prove a small advantage of one over the other. My advice? Pick one, go shooting, smile, repeat as necessary.
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Old December 17, 2009, 12:57 PM   #22
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Question for HAMMER1DOWN

Have you ever chronographed your IMR 4895 load? What do you consider the maximum range to be for it?

My 140 grain loads, at 2,950 fps MV, blow completely through the small (100 lb) Texas deer I shoot with it. What size game are you shooting with your 160 gr bullets?
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Old December 17, 2009, 07:13 PM   #23
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I prefer my Ruger #1 in 7x57. Never have needed a follow up shot deer hunting, which is nice since it is a single shot rifle. I do have a Leupold scope on the rifle and really pick my shot carefully which helps. I also like the 308 cal and use it in a Rem 700. Still, hunting wise & personally, I have never seen a 308 or 30-06 having a "real world" advantage a over the 7x57 (other than ammo cost!).

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Old December 18, 2009, 03:14 AM   #24
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Some factory 7x57 loads pack more energy and have a hair less drop at 600yds than some factory .300 win mag loads. And if you reload they kick butt on a 7mm-08 and are on par with a .270 or 7mm express.
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Old December 18, 2009, 05:12 AM   #25
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splitting hairs over the benefits of 270 vs 280 vs 30-06 vs 7X57 vs 8X57 are really just vague ramblings by people who either haven't tried them all or are easily captivated and empassioned because they have no life.
The .30-06 is a questionable addition to that list. (I understand your inclusion, since it's an active participant in this thread.)

The 8x57, however, is in a different class. You're talking about cartridges made for slinging 130-165gr projectiles, versus something designed around 220gr projectiles (later changed to the .323" bore and 196gr bullet).
In certain bullet weights, the 8x57JS will not only keep up with, but can surpass the 06 in velocity and energy (Particularly 190+). Add the extra cross section dimension, and it's in the 8mm no-man's-land. It's a place that only some Americans will venture, and often don't return from.


The 7x57mm is a great cartridge. I have wanted one for several years. I can't really justify it, though. Its place in my line up is overlapped by other great rifles/cartridges: .243 Win, .270 Win, and 7.62x54R.
The bullet selection in 7mm is amazing, but by using different cartridges, rather than different bullets; I can achieve better results than forcing a single rifle to do everything.
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