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Old December 11, 2009, 08:13 AM   #26
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If one insists on bird shot , you may want some back up. More work but effective.


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Old December 11, 2009, 09:37 AM   #27
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Winchester #4 buck shot 41 pellets in a 3" hull or #5 turkey load .
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Old December 11, 2009, 10:42 AM   #28
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Anything heavy is going to knock the snot out of someone. I wouldn't trust birdshot with my life, but if I drained a full mag tube's worth into a bad guy at 15 yards or less. I highly doubt they'll keep coming. This being said, 00 buck and slugs are all I would consider, and 00 buck first.
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Old December 11, 2009, 02:30 PM   #29
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#4 buck 2-3/4" out of pump mossberg
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Old December 13, 2009, 10:23 AM   #30
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Another vote for Federal 127 00 buck reduced recoil. I use an 870 14" SBS with a 13" LOP stock.
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Old December 13, 2009, 10:30 AM   #31
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I use Stars&Stripes Combat CQB 2 3/4 20ga. @ 1575 fps.
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Old December 16, 2009, 09:39 AM   #32
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I like/use the Winchester Super X 9 pellet 00 Hogdogs showed.
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Old December 17, 2009, 05:52 PM   #33
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#4 buck 2-3/4" out of pump mossberg
Same here only loaded in a Nova pump. No.4 buck, imo, is a good compromise between pellet count, pellet size and depth of penetration.
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Old December 18, 2009, 12:06 PM   #34
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Lance: the penetration tests I've seen indicate birdshot is not able to reliably reach the vitals (especially through an intervening arm etc) outside of near contact range. Do you have evidence or life experience that contradicts this?
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Old December 18, 2009, 06:38 PM   #35
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buy what you like

IN my opinion that depends what is the longest line of sight
in the house,if its only 30 or 40 feet mayby 60 feet yes feet
not yards im talking average house not mansions. birdshot
and mod choke your good . or 3inmagnum goose load thats bird shot
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Old December 22, 2009, 05:33 AM   #36
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Federal #4 Reduced load Tactical buckshot in my 870. Haven't tried it in my new Moss 930 SPX yet but if I remember correctly it cycled OK in my last auto. ( M1 Super 90 )
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Old December 22, 2009, 10:36 PM   #37
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Hornady 12GA OO Buck TAP FPD 2 3/4" in my 590 and 500 crusier.
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Old December 23, 2009, 01:19 AM   #38
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I would first ask where you live. If in a rural area with no neighbors across the street, I'd choose slugs. If in an urban envrion, 00 buck. If you choose shot, keep in mind that you may need the penetration offered by buckshot. While any birdshot work well up close on an unprotected body, if the BG is behind light cover, wearing heavy clothing such as a leather jacket, etc., birdshot will probably not do the trick and reach his vitals.

Back in the day, I patterned six Remington 870s for my department. Despite having consecutive serial numbers none patterned exactly the same. Choose what type of ammuntion suits your purpose, and then buy several different brands and pattern them in your shotgun. Purchase more of whatever works best.
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Old December 23, 2009, 02:31 AM   #39
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I use #1 buckshot. Either Remington or Winchester, 16 pellet. I can't believe I'm the first one to say that (maybe I missed someone). Unfortunately it's tough to find plated, hardened #1 buck. At least the winchester is buffered.

Anyway, I use it because I live in a condo. Even with the smaller buck, I better not miss should i ever have to fire indoors.
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Old December 23, 2009, 03:09 AM   #40
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00 Buck is the standard against which other options are compared.
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Old December 23, 2009, 04:22 AM   #41
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I agree... the common 12ga 1,325 fps, 2-3/4", 00 buck, nine-pellet shot shells are not only the standard but like other common shells are most likely to be on sale. I see Cabela's has them on sale for about $4/5 rounds right now for WW Super X. You may be able to get a better deal on a case of 250.

My last buy was a case of Federal Premium 00.
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Old December 23, 2009, 05:19 AM   #42
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Lance: the penetration tests I've seen indicate birdshot is not able to reliably reach the vitals (especially through an intervening arm etc) outside of near contact range. Do you have evidence or life experience that contradicts this?
I had a friend who had the better part of his head blown off in a range accident about 30 years ago, about 5 yards. It was birdshot, not sure what size though. But at that short distance the shot is coming out in a near solid pattern.

I've seen so many threads where people say it isn't effective. I know different.
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