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Old November 21, 2009, 09:20 PM   #1
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New Keltec PMR-30 .22 mag 30 round autoloader

Thats right, someone has stepped up to the plate since Clinton ban and has decided to produce a polymer high capacity .22 magnum pistol.

Apparently kel-tec is going to try and fit 30 rounds of .22 magnum into this grendal reincarnation.
Makes me wonder how many Keltec PMR-30 vs FN Five-seven debates are going to get sparked because of this.





I think it looks kind of stupid, but we shall see.

MSRP of $435

looks like the owner of Keltec (George Kellgren) is trying to remake his Grendal P30


Grendal looks better IMHO
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Old November 21, 2009, 09:22 PM   #2
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Its a super ugly but I might get me one
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Old November 21, 2009, 09:27 PM   #3
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This would be an excellent choice for the wife that is recoil sensitive!!
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Old November 21, 2009, 10:01 PM   #4
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22 magnum? is this a plinker or self defense type of firearm ?
those look like jhp bullets in that pic....
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Old November 21, 2009, 10:30 PM   #5
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KT

Will the quality be on par with the major manufacturers? I sold my two KTs because they were not reliable. I want a weapon that will fire every round in the magazine without fail. Neither the P32 or the P11 were 100% for even one magazine load. If the piece IS reliable, I'll buy it AND a .22 magnum semi-auto carbine.

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Old November 21, 2009, 10:45 PM   #6
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thats a big IF. reliability with a double stack rimmed case is going to be difficult to pull off. I imagine the first generation of keltecs are going to have feeding issues.

However the cost and innovation is worth looking into. This is the first keltec that I am definitely going to try out, the rest of their designs have been rather "meh" in my books.
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Old November 21, 2009, 10:46 PM   #7
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Can anyone post up some ballistics between the .22mag and the FN Five-seven caliber?
Personally i wouldn't carry either for SD,but 30 rounds of .22mag makes alot of holes.
Couldn't that be considered equal to about 5 rounds of 12 gauge 00buck?
I mean 00 uses 6 pellets of about .22 caliber pellets doesn't it?
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Old November 21, 2009, 10:46 PM   #8
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Lets see how it functions and holds up.
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Old November 21, 2009, 10:51 PM   #9
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The basic design has been around for quite some time. The original Grendel didn't have feeding problems. I'll buy one.
00 buck is .33 caliber pellets.
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Old November 21, 2009, 10:54 PM   #10
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I think it would be a fun gun, but after seeing some Automags and Grendels perform, I dont want to be one of the first to buy one.
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Old November 21, 2009, 11:00 PM   #11
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Hmmmm. I've wanted a Five Seven for some time to serve as a fishin' gun and bunny bopper. Supposing reliabiliy is good and accuracy is adequate, I could see this being a handy lil' pistol. When bunny boppin, we park the wheels and walk a circleish shape around it. 30 rounds could last the whole circle.
Its priced well and at least in my experience, KT's have been good buys. I'm kinda thinkin how I need one of these.
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Old November 22, 2009, 10:21 AM   #12
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Even if this doesn't appeal to you, you still have to give credit to Kel-Tec's innovation (even if it is a remake).

"IF" it turns out to be as reliable as the older Grendel's (from what I've heard, there were no feeding issues), this would be a great backpacking or backwoods plinker. I would like to see if you could add a mini-red dot optic...that would make it even better as an accurate game-getter. I think the 5.7mm trumps .22mags ballistics-wise, but it's still a more prevalent round is more than effective for small-medium game. Neither would be my first choice for 2-legged self defense, but 20 or 30 rounds of either round would ruin any attacker's day.

I hope Kel-Tec resurrects the Grendel R31 .22 mag carbine...now that would be the ultimate survival carbine

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Old November 22, 2009, 02:33 PM   #13
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I wonder if they are going to stick with the grendal magazine design. from what I have seen the grendal pistol actually used two single stack mags that tapered at the top so as to prevent stacking issues.
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Old November 22, 2009, 02:50 PM   #14
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I think I might actually pick one of those up when they become available. It looks like a great backwoods gun.
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Old November 22, 2009, 03:17 PM   #15
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Since .22lr is almost the same price as .22mag in my neck of the woods, this is pretty tempting.
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Old November 22, 2009, 03:18 PM   #16
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I would buy one for under 300 bucks.
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Old November 22, 2009, 03:42 PM   #17
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That looks SUPER cool. I want.
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Old November 22, 2009, 06:05 PM   #18
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Intriguing

Intriguing. This might be worth checking out.

30 rounds of .22 mag would make a formidable deterrent to just about anything short of a Grizzly I guess.
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Old November 22, 2009, 07:54 PM   #19
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Didn't Kel Tec make a 30 round 22mag about 10-15 years ago?
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Old November 22, 2009, 08:05 PM   #20
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Interesting attempt to "clone" the FN5.7. The FN is a very well made and reliable gun. If KT can make something close for $400 it will probably be a winner.

Just how fast is a .22mag from a pistol barrel?
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Old November 22, 2009, 09:22 PM   #21
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Looks pretty interesting.
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Old November 22, 2009, 11:11 PM   #22
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I hope it works better than the Grendel I once owned. It was the .380. That was without a doubt by far the worst gun of any kind that I ever owned. I have around 20 guns of various types now but over the last 40 or so years I have owned well over a hundred. Even had my FFL for a few years.

That gun jammed in every way possible for a gun to jam. It had a horrendous trigger pull and it was a two man job to reassemble it after field stripping.
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Old November 22, 2009, 11:16 PM   #23
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As I missed out on the Grendel, I'm looking forward to this one. I'll probably use it as my truck gun...and, considering that .22mag ballistics are similar to .38SPL non-+P, it'll have enough power for most of my uses....
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Old November 22, 2009, 11:18 PM   #24
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dont know what i would use it for.
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Old November 23, 2009, 04:18 AM   #25
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They start making guns that look like that and Glocks will become beauty queens. Fuuuuuugly!
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