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Old November 13, 2009, 11:41 PM   #1
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K98 takes a muley stag

Shot him from 200 yards. Was scratching my head when I saw he was still in full velvet. Scratching it even harder when I went to open him up and saw he had no testicals. Turns out that's why he is still in velvet. Weighed over 200 dressed and by the condition of his teeth judges to be around a decade old. Boned him out today and the meet looks really good for an old bruiser like him. Of course he's never done anything but eat, eat, eat.
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Old November 14, 2009, 12:10 AM   #2
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VERY NICE..... Ive got a K98 sporter Ive talked about hunting with. Now I just might.
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Old November 14, 2009, 12:28 AM   #3
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Don't you mean she??

Isn't this a doe or hermaphrodite or something? Or did it have a penis and just not testicles??

I've seen whitetail does with Antlers (well, once - buddy shot it and freaked out when he discovered his buck was a doe)
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Old November 14, 2009, 09:14 AM   #4
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I bet anything that is a she.



this is one from our area.
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Old November 14, 2009, 09:18 AM   #5
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No, it was definetly a he. There was a penis. And we found insided attached to the urethra what looked to be one small testicle.
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Old November 14, 2009, 09:29 AM   #6
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Then its either a crytorchid (retained teste) or a hermaphrodite. If the penis was smallish, and the teste was inside, was it attached to a tube? Maybe a smallish reproductive organ resembling a uterus?

By the way, congrats on the excellent buck!
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Old November 15, 2009, 04:35 PM   #7
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The penis was smallish and yes the teste, if it was one, was attached to the penal tube. It was also located in about the same area that the testicals should have been if on the outside.
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Old November 15, 2009, 04:50 PM   #8
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"Nuts never dropped" is the scientific name I knew it as...
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Old November 15, 2009, 05:18 PM   #9
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Here's a pic.
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Old November 15, 2009, 05:46 PM   #10
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What state did you shoot him in?
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Old November 15, 2009, 06:56 PM   #11
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Well, regardless of what he is, nice buck, that is a pig! Is your gun an 8mm?
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Old November 15, 2009, 08:01 PM   #12
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Did it have the scent glands on the legs?
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Old November 15, 2009, 09:28 PM   #13
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Montana. 8mm yes. Yes he had scent glands. It is the hight of the rut here now and did not smell as though he was rutting. There was a very slight oder if you sniffed his gland up close but not enough to say he was in rut. He had been with a doe and fawn, however. But by the time I got to him they had split apart, though he was sniffing as though he was searching for them.
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Old November 15, 2009, 11:14 PM   #14
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Sounds like a true stag either through under development or injury. They do make interesting trophies.
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Old November 17, 2009, 01:36 PM   #15
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Just curious, do deer like that ever drop there horns, or do they continue to grow since they stay in velvet. My dad mounted a deer for a guy probably 10 yrs ago that was still in velvet because it had hooked his nuts on a fence or something and castrated itself. I've heard of antlered does as well. Always wondered if the deer drop there horns like other bucks do.
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Old November 17, 2009, 02:52 PM   #16
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From the research I've been able to conduct it seems that they do not lose them, they do stay in velvet, and do continue to grow but at a very slow rate. A buck who's teste's are injured or through underdevlopment will produce just enough hormone to sprout antlers. The other side effect is all the narls and crazy small points. They are sometimes called "cactus heads."
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Old November 17, 2009, 05:21 PM   #17
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I wouldn't think they would since the stay in velvet. I would think they would have to loose the velvet which is the blood supply so they would start drying.
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Old November 17, 2009, 06:17 PM   #18
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Nice deer, beautiful rifle!

I wonder how many Russkies that rifle killed.
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Old November 17, 2009, 07:03 PM   #19
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A true stag either from injury or development problems does not drop its antlers. They continue to grow until death, the rate is much, much slower though. Their antlers will usually not be formed in the "typical" manner, many abnormal points. Some will look like a club with melted wax running down the antler.
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Old November 20, 2009, 07:42 AM   #20
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Congrats on a fine job. Backstraps for the freezer. What load did you use in your rifle to take the deer?
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Old November 20, 2009, 02:41 PM   #21
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Test

He's a Eunuch, should have given him the Eunuch test.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3viQ...eature=related
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Old November 20, 2009, 06:22 PM   #22
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Hornady 150 SP over 50 grains Varget, Remington brass neck sized, CCI 200 LRP's. This load comes out the barrel at 2,730 fps and is terribly accurate. Consistent 1" groups at 100 yards. The accuracy and knock down power has held up at long distances too, despite a Ballistic Coefficient of just .290. Took a antelope buck at 300 and antelope doe at 375.
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Old November 20, 2009, 09:19 PM   #23
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Well done! Once in a lifetime chance fullfilled. You will be telling this hunting storie for the rest of your life. Congrats!!!
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Old November 21, 2009, 01:46 PM   #24
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Congrats! A good oddball trophy to go on the wall

I got a Muley doe with a family heirloom this year. 8X56 Mannlicher M1908. Not a former military gun, one of the civilian full stocked ones.

Just gives you a nice feeling using guns like that

A question, was this in the Missouri Breaks? I know a LOT of country looks like that, but I was curious.


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Old November 21, 2009, 03:01 PM   #25
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Further south from the breaks. Inbetween Miles City and Forsyth.
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