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Old November 10, 2009, 04:39 PM   #1
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Machine Pistol?

Can a novice ask a question? In the movies I saw an automatic pistol that continued to fire automatically if you hold the trigger. It fires rapidly and will empty the clip if you continue to hold the trigger in. Is there such a weapon on the market?
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Old November 10, 2009, 04:46 PM   #2
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This question should go over to the NFA guns and gear section, but yes there are a few out there, but few that can be bought by us mortals. The uzi pistol and glock 18 come to mind as mach pistols.
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Old November 10, 2009, 05:09 PM   #3
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Beretta makes an automatic handgun as well. The Glock, and the Beretta are the only traditional handguns that I've seen. There are a couple of others like the Scorpion by CZ, and the UZI, but they are much bigger in design. Surf the net (google), and you'll learn a lot more.
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Old November 10, 2009, 05:15 PM   #4
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There are also a few select fire 1911's that were made in the 40's.
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Old November 10, 2009, 05:20 PM   #5
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There's also the Russian Stechkin.
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Old November 10, 2009, 05:32 PM   #6
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and the skorpion
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Old November 10, 2009, 05:45 PM   #7
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Historical pieces you could actually (legally) buy if you had the money and the patience to wade through the sextuplicate paperwork include:

Mauser Model 712 Schnellfeur, last development of the Broomhandle.
Astra 902 and Super Azul copies of Mauser, more or less.
Star Model MM.
Trejo Model 1 and Model 2 Special in .22 lr, a full auto you can afford to shoot.
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Old November 11, 2009, 12:20 AM   #8
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The Beretta 93R won't go fully automatic, IIRC. It's 3 shot burst only. The G18 is fully automatic. There was an automatic version of the H&K VP70 but I believe it was only full-auto with the shoulder stock installed.
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Old November 11, 2009, 10:12 AM   #9
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The M-10 (Mac 10) and M11 are the most common machine pistols that a private individual can own after completing the BATFE transfer papaerwork.
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Old November 11, 2009, 10:26 AM   #10
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The VP70M was three shot burst with the stock attached. Semi without the stock. It and the Beretta 93 were limited to burst instead of FA. Ive fired a couple FA pistols and had a broken gun run away once. So uncontrollable I'd think the best use would be for making a movie rather than hitting things.
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Old November 11, 2009, 04:14 PM   #11
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You guys are GREAT, as usual. Thanks.
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Old November 11, 2009, 04:29 PM   #12
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Generally speaking, "machine pistol" is what Europeans call a submachinegun.
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Old November 11, 2009, 04:56 PM   #13
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Generally speaking, "machine pistol" is what Europeans call a submachinegun.
Boy, that would really screw up our "American" technical definitions catagorizing certain guns.
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Old November 11, 2009, 05:02 PM   #14
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CZ still makes the CZ75 full auto, that uses a spare magazine as a forward grip. I think there is maybe 5 or 6 transferrable examples in the US, so price would just a LITTLE high. That is a true "machine pistol", like the Glock 18. The German machinenpistole is usually what we would call a submachinegun nowadays, two handed firearm.
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Old November 11, 2009, 05:09 PM   #15
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Trejo Model 1 and Model 2 Special in .22 lr, a full auto you can afford to shoot.
Good Lord! I've been looking for one of those for years and have never found the "Tipo Rafaga" Trejo. I would love to have one.
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Old November 11, 2009, 10:00 PM   #16
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The VP70M was three shot burst with the stock attached.
I didn't know that--thanks for the correction.
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Old November 11, 2009, 10:10 PM   #17
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CZ 75 full auto.

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Old November 12, 2009, 12:57 AM   #18
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Also the Mexican made Trejo Modelo1? in .22 LR that fiered full auto.
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Old November 12, 2009, 02:14 AM   #19
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Old November 12, 2009, 03:16 AM   #20
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HK made the VP70M and CZ made the VZ61 Scorpion. I'm sure there are others.
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