destroyer not ejecting properly

destoyercarbine · November 9, 2009, 11:12 PM

I bought a destoyer carbine last saturday. On the second shot, the fired casing did not extract. We got it out with a screwdriver, and managed to put the extractor (which had fallen off) back on the bolt. However, the problem persisted approxamently 1/4 of the time. WHat is causing this problem? WHat can I do to fix it?

destoyercarbine · November 10, 2009, 05:39 PM

please help!

DnPRK · November 10, 2009, 06:25 PM

Are you using 9mm Largo ammo? (not 9mm Luger which is a higher pressure and different size)

destoyercarbine · November 10, 2009, 06:33 PM

yes, i am using 9mm largo. It's surplus, but non-corrosive. Year: 1981 Made in: Toledo

mapsjanhere · November 10, 2009, 06:34 PM

I second that question, extractor problems with the destroyer is well documented if using the wrong ammunition. If shooting 9mm para from it you're using the extractor to headspace, and it's not built for it.

edit: you answered while I was typing. Did you get the gun as straight surplus, or did someone else have a chance to abuse it first?

destoyercarbine · November 10, 2009, 06:35 PM

nope. just regular 9mm largo

mapsjanhere · November 10, 2009, 06:39 PM

Check the chamber, if the wrong ammo was used at some point you might have excessive pitting at the throat end of the chamber that makes the fired (right) case stick.

destoyercarbine · November 10, 2009, 06:44 PM

it's clean

destoyercarbine · November 10, 2009, 06:51 PM

what should i check now?

destoyercarbine · November 11, 2009, 01:07 PM

Is it possible that the collar ring is weakened, in turn allowing the extractor to be easily pulled off?

destoyercarbine · November 13, 2009, 08:39 PM

Does anyone have knowledge pertaining to this?

Wireman134 · November 17, 2009, 10:55 PM

Check the ammo rim dia., spec. is .392"-.394". I have some surplus 1977 ammo and rim measures .384" out of spec. I heard the Spanish ammo has gone through many changes through the years.

http://www.9mmlargo.com/cartridge/index.htm

ISC · November 18, 2009, 11:54 PM

I'd measure the O.D. of a fired case and compare it to an unfired case. If the chamber is rough the measurements could reveal that. I think that's a longshot though.

Try replacing the extractor before you go much further...

destoyercarbine · November 19, 2009, 07:03 PM

What's the "O.D."?

mapsjanhere · November 19, 2009, 07:51 PM

Outer diameter

Wireman134 · November 23, 2009, 11:28 PM

O.D. of the rim that engages the extractor is?

Crosshair · November 24, 2009, 12:05 AM

Quote:

O.D. of the rim that engages the extractor is?

Yes. The very bottom of the cartridge case that the extractor grips. It should measure .392"-.394" as was was mentioned before.

Manufactures don't always obey spec. The 6.5x55 case is supposed to have a .480" case head. Most US makers use the .473" case head that the 30-06 uses. Sometimes you can get away with it, other times it causes problems.

ISC · November 27, 2009, 02:26 PM

I was specifically talking about measuring the outside diameter of a case before and after firing. If there is a large difference >.001" or so, especially in the area where a 9x19 case ends. it would tell you about the condition of the chamber.

November 9, 2009, 11:12 PM	#1
destoyercarbine Junior Member Join Date: November 9, 2009 Posts: 12	destroyer not ejecting properly I bought a destoyer carbine last saturday. On the second shot, the fired casing did not extract. We got it out with a screwdriver, and managed to put the extractor (which had fallen off) back on the bolt. However, the problem persisted approxamently 1/4 of the time. WHat is causing this problem? WHat can I do to fix it?

November 10, 2009, 06:34 PM	#5
mapsjanhere Senior Member Join Date: August 6, 2009 Location: Albuquerque Posts: 2,271	I second that question, extractor problems with the destroyer is well documented if using the wrong ammunition. If shooting 9mm para from it you're using the extractor to headspace, and it's not built for it. edit: you answered while I was typing. Did you get the gun as straight surplus, or did someone else have a chance to abuse it first? __________________ F 135 - the right choice

November 10, 2009, 06:39 PM	#7
mapsjanhere Senior Member Join Date: August 6, 2009 Location: Albuquerque Posts: 2,271	Check the chamber, if the wrong ammo was used at some point you might have excessive pitting at the throat end of the chamber that makes the fired (right) case stick. __________________ F 135 - the right choice

November 19, 2009, 07:51 PM	#15
mapsjanhere Senior Member Join Date: August 6, 2009 Location: Albuquerque Posts: 2,271	Outer diameter __________________ F 135 - the right choice

November 10, 2009, 05:39 PM	#2
destoyercarbine Junior Member Join Date: November 9, 2009 Posts: 12	please help!

November 10, 2009, 06:25 PM	#3
DnPRK Senior Member Join Date: August 25, 2001 Location: LC, Ca Posts: 1,723	Are you using 9mm Largo ammo? (not 9mm Luger which is a higher pressure and different size)

November 10, 2009, 06:33 PM	#4
destoyercarbine Junior Member Join Date: November 9, 2009 Posts: 12	yes, i am using 9mm largo. It's surplus, but non-corrosive. Year: 1981 Made in: Toledo

November 10, 2009, 06:35 PM	#6
destoyercarbine Junior Member Join Date: November 9, 2009 Posts: 12	nope. just regular 9mm largo

November 10, 2009, 06:44 PM	#8
destoyercarbine Junior Member Join Date: November 9, 2009 Posts: 12	it's clean

November 10, 2009, 06:51 PM	#9
destoyercarbine Junior Member Join Date: November 9, 2009 Posts: 12	what should i check now?

November 11, 2009, 01:07 PM	#10
destoyercarbine Junior Member Join Date: November 9, 2009 Posts: 12	Is it possible that the collar ring is weakened, in turn allowing the extractor to be easily pulled off?

November 13, 2009, 08:39 PM	#11
destoyercarbine Junior Member Join Date: November 9, 2009 Posts: 12	Does anyone have knowledge pertaining to this?

November 17, 2009, 10:55 PM	#12
Wireman134 Member Join Date: October 27, 2009 Posts: 18	Check the ammo rim dia., spec. is .392"-.394". I have some surplus 1977 ammo and rim measures .384" out of spec. I heard the Spanish ammo has gone through many changes through the years. http://www.9mmlargo.com/cartridge/index.htm

November 18, 2009, 11:54 PM	#13
ISC Junior member Join Date: August 5, 2007 Location: Florida Posts: 1,982	I'd measure the O.D. of a fired case and compare it to an unfired case. If the chamber is rough the measurements could reveal that. I think that's a longshot though. Try replacing the extractor before you go much further...

November 19, 2009, 07:03 PM	#14
destoyercarbine Junior Member Join Date: November 9, 2009 Posts: 12	What's the "O.D."?

November 23, 2009, 11:28 PM	#16
Wireman134 Member Join Date: October 27, 2009 Posts: 18	O.D. of the rim that engages the extractor is?

November 27, 2009, 02:26 PM	#18
ISC Junior member Join Date: August 5, 2007 Location: Florida Posts: 1,982	I was specifically talking about measuring the outside diameter of a case before and after firing. If there is a large difference >.001" or so, especially in the area where a 9x19 case ends. it would tell you about the condition of the chamber.