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Old November 6, 2009, 12:34 AM   #1
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What would be the best milsurp bolt gun to take into grizzly or brown bear country

excluding anything in 30-06. it also has to be in its original configuration
no p17 rebarreld in 458 win mag. or mauser 98 in 35 whelen.
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Old November 6, 2009, 12:49 AM   #2
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Lee-Enfield No.5 carbine. 10 rounds of 180gr .303 softpoints in a robust, reliable, compact CRF carbine with aperture sights. What's not to like?

LE No.4s are still used by the Canadian Rangers who patrol our arctic.
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Old November 6, 2009, 01:00 AM   #3
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I agree I love Enfields.
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Old November 6, 2009, 01:00 AM   #4
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Dang, all my choices were going to be in 30-06.


How about a Winchester Hotchkiss 45-70? Or a Remington-Keene in 45-70?
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Old November 6, 2009, 01:04 AM   #5
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oh very good but also very uncommon but I agree. Oh I just thought of a good one what about a Mosin M38 7.62x54R has roughly the same power as a 30-06 20inch barrel light roughly 7 lbs would also be great for someone on a buget. I've heard those wolf 203 grain soft points are killers and the dang thing is so loud even if you miss ther's a chance the noise and flash erupting from the muzzle might scare Mr. Bear away.

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Old November 6, 2009, 01:54 AM   #6
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8mm Mauser with heavy hand-loads or some stout European ammo. I think Norma makes some good stuff. American 8mm ammo is only loaded to 32 Winchester Special velocity or so. Why not a Springfield or 1917 in .30-'06?
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Old November 6, 2009, 02:02 AM   #7
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I just wanted to make it interesting outherwise everyone would have said 30-06.
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Old November 6, 2009, 02:07 AM   #8
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8mm Mauser is a good round. If you want to go with black powder then the 11mm Mauser or one of the 50 caliber repeaters such as a Spencer might be ok.

There were some very large caliber rounds used during WWI. iirc a 20+mm Mauser and similar rifles used by the allies.

The Winchester 1895 was issued to the Russian military in 7.62x54r.

Of course you could consider a military shotgun in 12 gauge. Several types of ammo were used in pump guns from slugs to various types of shot.
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Old November 6, 2009, 02:12 AM   #9
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I agree the 8mm Mauser is everything the 30-06 is if loaded right.so is the 7.62x54R
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Old November 6, 2009, 08:04 AM   #10
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I agree the 8mm Mauser is everything the 30-06 is if loaded right.so is the 7.62x54R
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Old November 6, 2009, 10:13 AM   #11
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+1 more on the 8mm/54r. I'd take a Mosin with some 220gr SP ammo.
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Old November 6, 2009, 10:24 AM   #12
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What about the M1 in .308 They did make a few.
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Old November 6, 2009, 02:26 PM   #13
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I'm going with the 303. It's just a plain, old, good round for hunting everything.
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Old November 8, 2009, 12:41 AM   #14
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A guy stopped a charging grizzly with four rounds from his short LE #5 "Jungle Carbine". The muzzle velocity is only about 2,000 fps.
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Old November 8, 2009, 06:03 AM   #15
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For me a No5 Mk1 - The 303 has taken all of Africa's big 5 game and has taken just about every kind of game on earth since the 1900's. I recommend you read Pattersons book about the Tsavo Lions that the film Ghost and the Darkness was based on. I have the book and he talks about his trusty .303 with some regularity ... then you see Rhino's on the deck.

Here's a Water Buffalo taken out by a Jungle Carbine in Australia's Northern Territory ... the .303 does just fine.



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Old November 8, 2009, 08:58 PM   #16
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Mosin M-38 or M-44
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Old November 8, 2009, 10:47 PM   #17
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8mm Lebel
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Old November 8, 2009, 11:51 PM   #18
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My choice would be your mauser 98 of choice loaded
with 200 grain Nosler Partition bullets at 2600 fps.

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Old November 9, 2009, 03:22 PM   #19
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i think a Mosin m44 would do the trick, if you couldnt hit it with the first 5 shots you could bayonet it in the face
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Old November 10, 2009, 08:47 AM   #20
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What would be the best milsurp bolt gun to take into grizzly or brown bear country
I think the question is answered differently if I'm actually hunting bears or just traveling through bear-strewn wilderness. For the former I'd take the most accurate milsurp - either a K31 or a Finn Mosin. If it's the latter, accuracy may not be as important as portability, in which case any Mosin carbine or even an M95 would be my choice.
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Old November 10, 2009, 11:02 AM   #21
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Boys cal .55 anti-tank rifle or a Lahti 20mm anti-tank rifle

And what's the big deal about shooting a cow with a .303? From what I remember about my year in Thailand during the war, water buffalo were pretty docile. (And, as much as I hate to say it, pretty tasty, too.)
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Old November 10, 2009, 11:11 AM   #22
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8mm Mauser, with fixed bayonet. 200-220gr solid, either hard cast gas checked, or a banded copper solid.
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Old November 10, 2009, 11:29 AM   #23
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And what's the big deal about shooting a cow with a .303?

It's about stopping power ... not pi$$ing power. Having shot Cape Buffalo in Botswana and shot Wild Buff in Northern Australia I can tell you there is a huge difference in temperament between domestic Asiatic Water Buff and the Wild type. Any experienced hunter who knows his butt from his elbow will tell you Wild Asiatic Water Buff and African Cape Buff are equally dangerous and deadly.

So yeah ... shooting a domestic cow is no big deal - you shot a cow, not wild game.

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Old November 10, 2009, 11:43 AM   #24
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We used to be able to buy heavier factory .303 british ammo , 215 gr saftpoints but nowadays all I see are 180 gr softpoints.

The old timer prospectors and geologists I knew always used the heavier ammo on problem black and grizzly bears and they never felt undergunned.
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Old November 10, 2009, 11:46 AM   #25
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Mosin M-38 or M-44
This one has my vote too. Pretty small package, all things considered, but packs a heck of a whollup with some 180gr. soft-points. And if you happen to miss with the bullet, you still might kill 'em with the muzzle flash .
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