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Old October 15, 2009, 05:25 AM   #1
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Garand Front sling question

Hey all.
Don't know if this should be in GDF or here but I'll start here (Mods don't hesitate to move).
What was the purpose of this? Was it to allow it to be slung more securely when marching with it?
On a related point-In an early episode of Band of Brothers you see a soldier (think it was Capt. Winters) firing his Garand with an en-bloc clip wedged onto the sling. Was this standard/recommended/allowed?

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Old October 15, 2009, 06:14 AM   #2
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I've seen en-bloc clips wedged onto the sling during fire fights in a number of movies. Looks like a convenient place to grab your next 8 or 16 rounds.
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Old October 15, 2009, 11:35 AM   #3
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It's a stacking swivel.

There are only 2 sling swivels.
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Old October 15, 2009, 11:40 AM   #4
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no theres 3, 2 are on the front half of the barrel
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Old October 15, 2009, 12:17 PM   #5
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I'm with Jag06 the second sling mount is a Stacking Swivel it's open in the center about 1/2 inch.



The Stacking Swivel is above the ^ mark.
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Old October 15, 2009, 12:53 PM   #6
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Yes, the one in front is a sticking swivel. It allowed 3 or more guns to be stacked together like a teepee.
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Old October 15, 2009, 04:57 PM   #7
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In this age of black plastic rifles, a stacking swivel (which IS what it is)
seems positively archaic to a lot of the younger generation.
When I did my boot camp rifle range time at Camp Pendleton in 1968, we
spent all morning one day stacking and unstacking our M14s. Who knows
why, because as soon as we got to ITR, we were issued M16s, and
I never laid hands on an M14 again.


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Old October 15, 2009, 05:42 PM   #8
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Its a stacking swivel

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Old October 15, 2009, 06:24 PM   #9
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Orlando you did me one better, I like your picture it brings back memories.
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Old October 15, 2009, 07:28 PM   #10
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This is why everyone needs at least 3 Garands.
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Old October 15, 2009, 07:46 PM   #11
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thats pretty cool orlando i didnt know that
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Old October 16, 2009, 06:33 AM   #12
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So THAT's how it's done!!!! I never even thought of that. That's damned cool. And yes I am one of the younger generation (19). However unlike most guys my age i prefer the Garand to the Deagle :barf: (My mates at the hostel I lived at knew that calling a Desert Eagle a Deagle was one way to get me seriously peeved)
Is it just a case of slotting them in or is there a knack to it?
Redy on the Right- You mean "This is why everyone needs Garands in multiples of 3."?
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Old October 16, 2009, 01:47 PM   #13
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The British called it a "piling swivel". Same thing.

FWIW, only a few real M1 rifles were used in BoB. Most were plastic dummies, but some had holes in the top so the actors could be seen inserting dummy plastic clips. A year or so ago, the NRA museum had a display of those "rifles" and "ammo". They were cleverly made, but even in the movie an experienced eye could see that the guns were fakes.

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Old October 16, 2009, 02:59 PM   #14
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sling

It is a little off the topic but how does a sling attach to a 1903A3? Have a WWII GI canvas sling and am not sure how to hook it on properly.
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Old October 16, 2009, 03:29 PM   #15
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Same way as a Garand. Clip on buttstock, loop through the front swivel
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Old October 16, 2009, 03:48 PM   #16
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sling

Found a how to link after a search with some pictures.

http://www.ray-vin.com/tech/websling/webslinghelp.htm
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Old October 16, 2009, 06:55 PM   #17
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re: en-blocs stuck in the sling

You can find many photos of actual US troops in WWII with clips wedged into their slings. Seems to be an ETO thing, or perhaps I've only ever seen photos of ETO troops that did this
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Old October 16, 2009, 06:57 PM   #18
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Great photo, Orlando!

Should you tell them all there's only two Garands in that photo, or shall I? Handy that the '03 is the same length as the M1, eh?

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Old October 16, 2009, 07:14 PM   #19
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re: en-blocs stuck in the sling

You can find many photos of actual US troops in WWII with clips wedged into their slings. Seems to be an ETO thing, or perhaps I've only ever seen photos of ETO troops that did this
The author of the book, "About Face", Col. David Hackworth enlisted in the army just at the end of WWII, served in Italy, was an enlisted man in the Korean War. Mentioned how he had seen "old timers" stick a clip or two onto the slings of their M1s. Said it really looked like they knew what they were doing (looked cool) so he emulated them...until he discovered that if you had to "hit the dirt" quickly into the mud, the mud would render the loaded clip useless until it was cleaned. So, after a few such mishaps, he stopped doing it. Nevertheless, it did seem to been practiced in Korea as well as the European Theater of Operations during WWII.
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Old October 16, 2009, 07:54 PM   #20
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Damn good catch Chris.
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Old October 17, 2009, 12:56 AM   #21
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I was going to ask about the "bolt action Garand" but thought I'd better not seeing as I learnt something
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Old October 17, 2009, 08:43 AM   #22
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I was going to ask about the "bolt action Garand" but thought I'd better not seeing as I learnt something
Well that deserves a photo then!
Smith-Corona 1903A3 on the left, Springfield M1 rifle on right. Everything for and on the rifles is original USGI with the exception of the Lyman sight on the '03A3 and the sling on the M1. The '03A3 is my Dad's, the M1 is mine

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Old October 18, 2009, 09:37 AM   #23
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great pictures - I have several Garands and I was never sure what that swivel was for - thanks
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Old October 18, 2009, 10:27 PM   #24
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Chris your Garand sling is the same as we had on our Garands when I went to Boot Camp in 64
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Old October 20, 2009, 06:37 PM   #25
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I was wondering what vintage it was supposed to be, thanks! I've gone to a 1907 style repro sling though...the tan sling pictured slipped on me when I picked up the rifle last summer. Nearly damaged the floor when the M1 hit it.
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