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Old October 6, 2009, 06:48 PM   #1
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The Perfect Pistol

Assuming price is not an issue what pistol do you think is the best thing money can buy for SD/HD/Range? Restrict your self to (9mm, .45ACP or .40 S&W).

Moreover if you think there's nothing like a perfect pistol, how & from where would you have your dream custom handgun made?

From design, material that you will use for both externel and internal parts to mechanism and functionality. Be descriptive.
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Old October 6, 2009, 07:01 PM   #2
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High capacity 9mm, that I could defend more than 3 to 8 bad guys with....



Oh, your serious.

Right now my favorite handgun is a Sig P220 SAO, but the H&K that I sadly don't own anymore, was great as well. The only gun that I vow never to sell, is my 1911. The only way I'd sell it, is if I got another one that was even nicer than the one I have. Which would not be too hard to find.

Yep, it's the 1911 in .45 acp.

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Old October 6, 2009, 07:01 PM   #3
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Springfield Armory Custom Loaded 1911 parkerized 45ACP w/ night sights.

The design has worked for 100 years.

It just works.
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Old October 6, 2009, 07:19 PM   #4
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Commander 1911, more specifically Ed Brown Kobra or Executive Carry--in stainless koted version--in a .40 or double stack 9 if they made it (to add capacity to a great gun, if anything). Failing that, in terms what's readily available off the shelf, same gun in its main caliber--.45. You don't mention 10mm, but that'd be under consideration--perhaps in the EB's cheaper cousin, the DW Commander Bobtail (CBOB).



Close 2nd: virtually same gun (EB Special Forces) in full sized 5", and ordered with bobtail like the other two "just because" and the 5" would better meet your range criteria.



Close 2nd #2, Hi Power .40, especially if your criteria allow it to be worked over by someone like Ted Yost,...If not, still nice out of the box...but I feel bad for not spending more of your money!


Third/honorable mention--just about any mostly metal Sig .40.


Browning (US/Utah) made the perfect pistol 15 years ago with its all-but-forgotten BDM (SA/DA), but screwed up in marketing (as in none) and technical implementation (for one thing, reverse logic safety, I.e. not like 1911, 1935 HP predecessors and just about everyone else). But it was everthing a "perfect" pistol should be (at least as non CCW guns go)--all metal, though forget if alloy (it did not seem overly heavy), hi cap for its time (15)...and still "fine for a nine," especially considering that--the above safety notwithstanding--it had the sweetest ergonomics and, related, slimmest grips/gripframe ever (someone has mentioned one of the new Rugers and one other current as competing for this prize)--especially for a double stck, but regardless..and bested its predecessor Hi Power in this regard (one of the all-time champs itself in that area). So, I say "fix" that BDM, offer it in 40/.357 Sig to broaden its overall appeal and there you'll have it. Again, doesn't spend all that extra money, bit IMO it had the makings of being one of the best. Make it or the HP out of the fabled "unobtanium" perhaps? (Sorry for the long unbroken post, edit wouldn't let me paragraph)

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Old October 6, 2009, 08:16 PM   #5
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it would be a tie between my HK P7M8 and Wilson CQB

The Wilson is just plain amazing, but the P7 as a gem too.
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Old October 6, 2009, 08:17 PM   #6
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Any 1911 ever made. Any of them.
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Old October 6, 2009, 08:25 PM   #7
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These work best for me, your mileage may vary.
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Old October 6, 2009, 09:01 PM   #8
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those CZ's are beautiful, but i believe your photography is better
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Old October 6, 2009, 10:17 PM   #9
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This was/is THE perfect .45 ACP for me. I prefer the .45 ACP for the things you listed above.
No other .45 ACP pistol I'd tried felt as at home in my hand as this one.

So, for all of your listed criteria, this is the caliber/pistol that works for me.
If only their magazines weren't so damned expensive.
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Old October 6, 2009, 10:20 PM   #10
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Wilson Combat Classic Super Grade 1911 5" .45 ACP black aluminum frame, stainless slide (serrated top, checkered rear) with slim cocobolo grips, C&S engraved hex head grip screws - ten Wilson Combat #47DA 8 rd. mags

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Caspian Custom 1911 5”, .45 ACP, Basic titanium receiver with integral plunger tube, Bar-Sto Match Target barrel, Damascus steel slide, grips, mainspring housing, hammer, titanium trigger, firing pin, and “Speed Bump” grip safety, blued extractor, slide stop and barrel bushing, FLGR with 18# Wolff spring – ten Wilson Combat #47DC 8 rd. mags
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Old October 6, 2009, 10:29 PM   #11
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Hi-Power.

Excellent reliability, single action, good capacity, good accuracy. What more do you want?


(I know. .45acp. Hence the 1911)
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Old October 6, 2009, 11:46 PM   #12
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How can one go wrong with a Government 1911? No need to spend thousands of $$$ on custom guns when a decent 1911 can be had for about $600. Yup, the H & K USP Compact .45 is a pretty awesome gun too. Slightly more buckaroos.

Owning guns are like owning motorcycles. It's difficult to own just one and it is extremely difficult keeping it "stock." Or like owning a boat, always a bigger, better boat year after year. Or like having a new wife.....well, lets not go there. Can't afford anymore new ones as the old ones about cleaned me out.
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Old October 7, 2009, 12:05 AM   #13
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The perfect pistol

The perfect pistol?

It would shoot every time, perfectly on target, with unlimited ammo without reloading, look like it is NIB no matter what I do with it and to it. It would never have to be cleaned. It would kill with one shot, and cause Bad Guys to run the other way the moment it is drawn from its holster. It would look like Death, and make all the hot ladies swoon. It would lower my cholesterol and blood pressure. It would shrink my prostate, and I would never need viagra. It would spit out pure gold casings. It would shoot around corners. It would draw faster than Doc Holiday.

In other words, it does not exist. (above in jest, not diss...)

But, as you can see, there are tons of people's opinion on the closest to perfection... from the 1911 to the Hi-Power. Place this in the revolver section and I bet you get tons more... (quite interesting the number of 1911's posted... Hmm.)
The perfect pistol is not yet made. But, the best pistol for you might just be. And in a SD situation, the pistol you are carrying is the best one in the moment. May it not hesitate, may it draw faster than Doc Holiday, may it be spot on target, and may it one shot/ one kill, and/or permanently remove the threat. May it not run out of ammo. May it do what it is supposed to. And may you NEVER have to EVER be in that situation...
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Old October 7, 2009, 01:33 AM   #14
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I think the Glock 17 (and its 9mm brethren) is the fullest expression of the modern fighting handgun. I think Glock got it right by distilling the handgun back to its simple essense. A weapon pure and simple ever since the first caveman picked up a rock at the dawn of time. NO BS. No Poetry. No glamour. Just a barrel, a grip to hold on to, and a trigger. And Bang! Reliable, durable as hell, super easy to fix, and one of the easiest pistols to shoot fast and accurately. The whole package. The handheld weapon has come full circle in a sense with the 9mm Glock.

I like my Springfield Custom Professional and Les Baer a whole lot and I like other handguns well enough. But push comes to shove I'd prefer to take my G17 over any other handgun into the "unknown".
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Old October 7, 2009, 02:42 AM   #15
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HK45 or HK USP 45. But chambered in 10mm. LOL
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Old October 7, 2009, 03:12 AM   #16
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pfffttt..

Give me a bow and arrow. It's been around for hundreds of years for a reason!
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Old October 7, 2009, 03:13 AM   #17
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I already have what I consider the perfect revolver. My S&W 327 M&P Scandium Aluminum 8 shot .357mag with pictanny rail on lower front barrel and a removable rail for the top of the gun. I can mount lights, lasers, scopes and what not.

As far as semi auto's, I want to get a Glock model 20 10mm and convert it to a 9X25 dillon by changing the barrel with one that is 6" long.

That, would be one powerful gun.
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Old October 7, 2009, 06:17 AM   #18
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Beretta 92 in .45 ACP and call it the Beretta 945!
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Old October 7, 2009, 06:37 AM   #19
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1911.
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Old October 7, 2009, 09:33 AM   #20
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Glock 19.
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Old October 7, 2009, 09:41 AM   #21
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Wilson Protector LW CCO 45acp



Works for me.
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Old October 7, 2009, 01:36 PM   #22
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Para P-13 tuned with nite sights, electroless nickle and 2 extra mags with Black Talon or equivalents. Pray & spray or 40 one shot kills. Rides with me.
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Old October 7, 2009, 02:40 PM   #23
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The Perfect Pistol
I have not found it, yet. Maybe that is why I still keep being drawn to gun shops on a regular basis! And find myself: looking, holding, buying...

I am, at this point in my search for "The Perfect Pistol", going to add my vote to the 1911 platform.

Personally I enjoy the Colt variety, including the "original" Delta Elite with a little work done. (I realize that this in not in your list of calibers, unless you count the 10mm auto as the .40 magnum; however, it is the 1911 platform, and I do have 1911s in .45 ACP.)

All steel Colt Commander has a great: balance, trigger, and carry; at least for me.

For me the trigger is going to be the major factor, and I have not found a better trigger in a autoloader than a good 1911.
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Old October 7, 2009, 02:56 PM   #24
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Personally I enjoy the Colt variety, including the "original" Delta Elite with a little work done.
Sorta' like this?

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Old October 7, 2009, 04:04 PM   #25
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I have a pair of the most sexiest 1911s but again its not the perfect pistol. Im more comfortable carrying my Glocks, HKs or SIGs. I love my HK MK 23 but it's too bulky and is more of an offensive weapon. I also like my HK Tactical Compact but the magazine capacity's only 8 rounds.
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